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Sikret
QUOTE(Shaitan @ Apr 21 2007, 01:21 PM) *
Protagonist F/M (halfelf, dual in Longswords/Flail (or is warhammers better?)


Comparing Flails and War Hammers, if you mean the new items which can be forged, let's have a look at the items list:

1- For flails:

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Two +1 flails
Two Emeralds
5,000 gp

-> Flail +2
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Flail +2
Scroll of Enchanted Weapon
Permanency Scroll
15,000 gp

-> Flail +3
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Defender of Easthaven
Gnasher club
Two +3 Flails
six Diamonds
Ten Mithril Tokens
150,000 gp

-> Flail of Defending and Wounding +5

+25% Resistance to damage taken from all weapon types.

THAC0: +5
Damage: 1D6 +6 (Blunt)
Special ability:
One round after a successful hit, the weapon starts to inflict five points
of bleeding (Piercing) damage per second for 18 seconds. This is cumulative
with additional successful hits.
Proficiency type: Flail
Not usable by:
Mage
Thief
Monk



2- For war hammers:

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Crom Faeyr
Borok's Fist
Ashideena
Celestial Fury
Five chunks of amber
Two green scrolls of Protection From Electricity
Permanency Scroll
75,000 gp

-> Hammer of Thor +5

grants 25 Strength
kills Stone/Clay/Bone/Sand Golems and Trolls
100% Resistance to Electricity
With each successful hit there is a 10% chance to inflict 10D10
additional electrical points of damage to the target.

THAC0: +5 bonus
Damage: 2D4 + 5 (crushing), +6 electrical



As for the game's own items, you can have Flail of ages and Borok's Fist hammer as well as Ashideena somewhat early in the game (though none of them will be available without a challenge). I think you can give progiciency stars to both of these weapon types to your characters.


And thetruth is surely right about Halberds. There are very powerful halberds which you can forge during the game, though forging them is not easy at all.

Mongerman
Sorry to hijack this thread. Sikret, I'll be starting my game tmr. Would you prefer I send you feedback through pm, or start a new thread as a journal?

[edit] Has the long abscence from BG dulled me, or has IA disabled shoplifting?
thetruth
QUOTE(Mongerman @ Apr 21 2007, 03:38 PM) *

Has the long abscence from BG dulled me, or has IA disabled shoplifting?



Hehe no you are OK, it's that stealing has been disabled from all stores.
Now you have to think very carefully where you spend your money wink.gif

And better IMO, since it makes sense that you can steal one or two items from a shop, but stealing and reselling whatever you want at the same shopkeeper was cheesy and unrealistic.
nataben1314
wait so stealing more than like one thing from a store is completley disabled? sad.gif Well that was a waste of a bunch of skill points on my swashie.
Sikret
QUOTE(Mongerman @ Apr 21 2007, 06:08 PM) *
Sikret, I'll be starting my game tmr. Would you prefer I send you feedback through pm, or start a new thread as a journal?


Send your journal in public, but be careful not to spoil the fun of the game for readers with heavy and unnecessary spoilers. I'm sure you know how to write your journal to keep it interesting without containing bad spoilers. I have read your writings before.

@nataben

I'm sure you can still benefit from those thieving skill points by picking people's pockets. And tell us if you find something surprising in anyone's pocket. wink.gif

Shaitan
QUOTE(thetruth @ Apr 21 2007, 11:31 AM) *

@Shaitan

Yes it is a good party.
I wouldn't take Nalia though if you intend to get Imoen later ( no XP to waste tongue.gif ).Aeire and your F/M should be more than enough to cover your party needs for mage spells until that time.

- Your F/M could use Longswords (or even shortswords for Kundane in the off-hand) and Flails.

- For Jaheira Clubs and Scimitars (Belm).

- Hammers for Anomen.

- Flails (for FoA+DoEastheaven) if you take Minsc as a Barbarian.
Also Halberds are a very good choice in IA for the mid-late game.

Also since you asked about a quest-order for IA4, look at the second post of this topic (first page).


Ah sad.gif Sorry guys! I remember why I don't like to play mages... I'll have to go for a R/C instead using both flails and hammers biggrin.gif I'll put in Kivan (Archer Ranger) instead of Anomen, otherwise I still use Nalia, Arie, Jaheira & Minsc. I noted that Sikret and thetruth recommend R/C multi and R/C is AFAIK also good for extra quests/materials.

Regards
thetruth
QUOTE(Shaitan @ Apr 21 2007, 09:44 PM) *

Ah sad.gif Sorry guys! I remember why I don't like to play mages... I'll have to go for a R/C instead using both flails and hammers biggrin.gif I'll put in Kivan (Archer Ranger) instead of Anomen, otherwise I still use Nalia, Arie, Jaheira & Minsc. I noted that Sikret and thetruth recommend R/C multi and R/C is AFAIK also good for extra quests/materials.

Regards



It's still a good party, though I have to say that the F/M would make your life much easier, especially in the difficult battles of late game.

You could always make a multi-F/M or you could take HaerDalis (sort of F/M but with awful THACO if you don't exploit the singing-Mislead clones cheese).

I had HaerDalis in my IA party and he was very useful in the tough battles of the mod (I didn't have a F/M).
Timetraps and Improved Bard song were very useful later.

EDIT: But then there is little Aerie that can be really powerful with the right buffs, so you can even leave your party as it is now.
Shaitan
So you think I can use Aerie as a competent partymember? Hmm IMO it's better than creating a MP F/M, so I'll grab your advice... smile.gif
thetruth

Yes, Aerie with a combination of Cleric and Mage spells and SI: Abjuration can be surprisingly powerful wink.gif
Mongerman
the truth, how is haer delis helpful? I'm thinking of taking him along, but as IA is item poor, and blades are item dependent, I'm not sure if he is worth the slot
thetruth

You can use him as a F/M, if you don't have one.

Mage buffs + SI:Abjuration and he is very good in the front line distracting enemies.
His THACO is not so good, but I was using him mainly to distract the enemies.

Also with UAI and some Timetraps he helped a lot in some very difficult battles.
I kept him back (out of the enemies' visual range) and he set his Timetraps, then my characters retreated to trigger the traps.

Remember that while the time is stopped, ApR is only what matters. You will hit anytime even if you have an awful THACO. wink.gif
So give him Belm and Kundane (or Scarlet after UAI), cast on him I.Haste and Offensive Spin for 10 ApR. Just try to give him high STR in order to get the bonus to dmg from high STR.

Finally there were battles where I used him only as a secondary Mage (for buffs and his powerful Remove Magic) and to sing his Improved Bard Song (-4 to AC, +4 to THACO/dmg and other useful immunities).

There are also many cheesy tactics that involve the Bards, like multiple Mislead-clones' song, Defensive Spin and Free Action, or multiple Offensive Spins, but I prefer not using them.
nataben1314
Update: I've started! Unfortunately, my progress is going to be excruciatingly slow until I can either figure out what's wrong with my computer, or reformat, because the game gets unplayably choppy after about 15 minutes (this has nothing to do with IA as it's been happening for a couple months now).

After playing for a bit with that six char party, I came to the realization that I absolutely despise micromanaging six characters (all my BG2 runs up until now have been solos, but I know solo is impossible on IA). So I've decided to try a four player party, and am having much more fun:

1. protagonist halfelf ranger/cleric, dual-wielding hammers/flails/maces
2. Cernd
3. Gnome Fighter/Illusionist, dual-wielding longswords and eventually maybe scimitars for belm, if I ever sum up the courage to visit its now guarded location.
4. Human Berserker dual-classed to mage at level 9, will get grand-mastery in axes and dual-wielding, and maybe pick up points in short-sword for kundane if I need extra ApR.

I'm still working on the untouched portion of the game, so we'll see how it goes once I get to the IA stuff, to see if I am tactically good enough to pull off a four player party. Hopefully the fact that the chars will be of a higher level, and there will be more gold available will help make up for the lack of two characters.
Shaitan
Sorry to hijack this thread!

@thetruth: Have you given any thoughts about a F/I instead of a F/M? There are some bonuses to the gnome that others don't get, but a gnome don't get the necromancer spells. Is it worth it to play F/I instead of F/M?

Regards
thetruth
QUOTE(Shaitan @ Apr 24 2007, 01:51 PM) *

Sorry to hijack this thread!

@thetruth: Have you given any thoughts about a F/I instead of a F/M? There are some bonuses to the gnome that others don't get, but a gnome don't get the necromancer spells. Is it worth it to play F/I instead of F/M?

Regards



Oh yes you are right.
A Gnome F/I would be even more powerful with +1 spell/level and better s.throws.

You won't miss much the Necromancy spells (especially if you have another Mage in your party).
Shaitan
He! I guess I'll go for:

F/I
Minsc
Jaheira
Anomen
Aerie
Nalia

smile.gif
thetruth
Yes, this is an even better party for IA. wink.gif
sturmvogel
I'm getting set for my first IA game and would like some advice about party composition using the usual suspects for party members. My PC is a R/C and I'm inclined to bring Keldorn (love that double-strength Dispell!), Kelsey, and Cernd as an Auramaster along. But what of the other two spots? One more mage is obviously necessary, but I'm undecided between Nalia and Aerie. I've never tried to play with Valgar, but I'm wondering if it would be a bit much to have two ranger types in the same party. Perhaps Minsc, as a Berserker, instead?

Comments, thoughts?
Toxeus
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But what of the other two spots? One more mage is obviously necessary, but I'm undecided between Nalia and Aerie

f/m is a must for IA, so may be try Xan? wink.gif Berserker also will be very usefull (5* in halberds or two handed swords, rage, best THAC0), but you can forge very nice items for Valygar, so take whom you want.
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