My experiences with IA 5.0, Continue Shadan's topics with similar name Options

[Ryel ril Ers]

When Shadan started to play with IA 4.2, he opened a topic for write his experiences. I want to continue this with the v 5.0. So everybody who want to share his/her experiences could write it in this place and don't opened hundreds of topics wich tells somebody walkthrough. I want to gather lots of information in one place. (Sikret's walkthrough is too good so i don't want write to that place), and the starter player see which tactics, parties and quest orders works, and how use his/her money.

I ask everybody who write in this topic:
-Use spoilers tag for the tactics
-Don't write down serious spoilers
-Don't write down statistics (like xy has 69% fire resist) and immunities. (except the weapon enchantment and spell level immunities)

This post has been edited by Ryel ril Ers: Aug 1 2008, 06:05 AM

[Ryel ril Ers]

@Ryel

At first, I thought your only problem was that you didn't have a saved game before stealing the key. You even asked for an alternate solution and I offered one to you (i.e. to return and fight with Conster before it's too late and before doing anything else). You didn't accept the solution and started other quests and even tried to justify your course of actions. This thread no longer qualifies my criteria of a non-cheesy game-play. Your party is now approximately one level higher than what it should be, because you have undeservedly gained the entire xp for the windspear Hills quest: A quest which you have not actually completed in any of the intended ways.

I'm really sorry, but I'll appreciate if you stop posting in this thread. If you want to play with such methods and to ignore my requests and suggestions of how to amend your course of action, do it for yourself. Public journals sent to this forum have to qualify very strong and strict criteria of non-cheesiness (I even consider your hit&run method with the Horrid Rakshasa to be very cheesy; I had even written in another thread that running while fighting with that Rakshasa is cheesy.)

If loving or hating this mod (for you) depends on my opinion about your playing style (rather than on the mod's actual content), then so be it. I have an unremovable hatred towards cheese and cheat and also very strong criteria for what is to be called "cheese".

At first my only problem really was i didn't have saved game before the key, but ....
1) If you ask me to load, then i loaded and i missed 8 hour game. You didn't ask me, you command me!
2) It was REAL role playing reason, read it once more, and tell me if you tell this story in a real pen and pencil game why don't you allow this solution.
3) It was tought because i try kill him but we was weak so we flee, instead the load.

So i thought i have the truth and instead you write down your arguments, you started a witch hunt, with the doctrine of the cheese.

About the rakhasa:
Stay in the area of most dangerous spell is not roleplaying. It is only idiocy. If we had prot from energy, we don't allow him time to regenerate.
I i see the skull of a horrid wilting or the clouds of storm of vegeance we run. The greatest marshalls of the history was done retreat too if they need it. The retreat doesn't cheese it is only one element of the tactics, if you can flee when you need and you can get one's ducks in a row, than you have the half victory.
Yes i usually disperse my party in all direction, i usually hold one or two fighters in hidden if an area spell fix up my front i have fresh fighters. I rarely needed to load with this tactics.

Concentate on TorGal first. It's important to interrupt as many as possible of his spells. Throw a Breach on him at the beginning of battle. If he cast his Storm of Vengeance, retreat to the other room and if he casts a second one, retreat to the last room. He has three, but you need to be lucky to interrupt one or two of them.

This isn't hit-and run? I use the same tactics on other enemy and it is cheese.
I killed TorGal without retreat we resist his storm, if i kill first the golem after the trolls and in the end torgal that is cheese method too because i don't use that tactics what you think?


Summa summarum:
You force your style to your players. You force your favorite class your players. You banish those who play different than you (sometimes they play without cheese too). I think rest before a battle to rememorize is cheese, some players think it is necessery. I always use the same repertoire with small changes. I don't prepare only that case somebody warn me in the game (like Aran and the vampires, or nalia and the trolls). I don't save often because if i risk lots of game tim, i can use better tactics, but i don't think the save after every step is cheesing, i only don't use it.

We accept your owerpowered ranger and druid class, we accept that you perished the thief class, and the way of the backstabbing, we accept that the rangers are the coolest class forever, we accept all of your everything you create.

Please, accept that we, players are not you, we sometimes plays different ways.

If you think i am a dirty cheeser than i stop my walkthrough here. If i find another bug in the future i send it, because i love your mod, but i hate your black-and-white-i-am-the-god-who-judge-the-faithless mentality.

Yes i know you likely delete this post and close the topics, yes i repost it, yes i wait the ban. So please censure me!


PS.: YOUR MODE IS AWSOME IN TACTICAL VIEW!!!! Thank you!

PS.2: See the malison spell i think that not-hostile also like the emotion (the beholders in temple sewers don't react to it if i cast off-screen).

[Sikret]

At first my only problem really was i didn't have saved game before the key, but ....
1) If you ask me to load, then i loaded and i missed 8 hour game. You didn't ask me, you command me!

No, I didn't command. I just said that I would lose interest in your topic if you don't reload. Everyone is free to play the mod in the way he enjoys, but sending public journals is only allowed for non-cheesy ones (but see below).

3) It was tought because i try kill him but we was weak so we flee, instead the load.

All of us others defeated Conster with a party of the same level as yours. If your party was weak for this battle (perhaps for a different party composition, then you should have postponed the battle for a later time rather than stealing the xp). Every class has its own advantages and disadvantages. You won some battles more easily because you had a blade. Some other battles are surely harder if you have a bard rather than a backup mage. You should be prepared to accept your party's weaknesses and postpone those particular battles.

About the rakhasa:
Stay in the area of most dangerous spell is not roleplaying. It is only idiocy. If we had prot from energy, we don't allow him time to regenerate.

Which means instead of running, you should have postponed the battle to a later time when you had the mentioned spell.

I i see the skull of a horrid wilting or the clouds of storm of vegeance we run. The greatest marshalls of the history was done retreat too if they need it. The retreat doesn't cheese it is only one element of the tactics, if you can flee when you need and you can get one's ducks in a row, than you have the half victory.

Strategic and step by step retreat is much different than running. Don't misinterprete my words.

Concentate on TorGal first. It's important to interrupt as many as possible of his spells. Throw a Breach on him at the beginning of battle. If he cast his Storm of Vengeance, retreat to the other room and if he casts a second one, retreat to the last room. He has three, but you need to be lucky to interrupt one or two of them.

This isn't hit-and run?

No, I didn't run. The retreat took place step by step, slowly and while engaged in combat.

I killed TorGal without retreat we resist his storm, if i kill first the golem after the trolls and in the end torgal that is cheese method too because i don't use that tactics what you think?

Who said this?

You force your style to your players.

No, it's none of my business how you want to play; but if you want to send public journals in IA's forum, I expect you to follow some rules. If you do not send anything, you can play in any way you desire (but see the end of this post).

We accept your owerpowered ranger and druid class,

You tried to add a disadvantage to the kit and you saw that it was not a good decision. You still repeat that kit is overpowered. Funny!

Please, accept that we, players are not you, we sometimes plays different ways.

See above. You can play in any way you want as long as youdon't post the reports in IA's forum (but see below).

Yes i know you likely delete this post and close the topics, yes i repost it, yes i wait the ban. So please censure me!

I see that you are under the influence of the lies some people have said about me and BWL. We only delete heavily insulting posts or posts which contain very bad and unnecessary spoilers or those which violate the forums terms of use.

PS.: YOUR MODE IS AWSOME IN TACTICAL VIEW!!!! Thank you!

You are welcome.

PS.2: See the malison spell i think that not-hostile also like the emotion (the beholders in temple sewers don't react to it if i cast off-screen).

I will check it; but how is it that you are the only player who keeps trying to cast spells from offscreen?

I think it's not a bad idea if Baronius moves this topic to the gaming forum. Players who are not willing to follow my strong criteria for non-cheesy style, can send their reports there instead. In this way, they will be able to send their journals and my time will also be saved. I won't read them (though I may sometimes check them to make sure that heavy spoilers are not sent).