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Jul 3 2007, 07:32 AM
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Are you happy with Nalia's class (= A weaker duplicate of Imeon)? Or do you prefer her to be a sorceress? Of course, she says things about lockpicking in her dialogues, but perhaps they are not really too many or too important. Another alternative is to increase her level in thief class to make her a better thief for those who want to save a slot for a party member (though in this way she will become even more identical with Imoen).
Another option is to leave Nalia as she is and change Imoen to a Sorceress when you find her in Spellhold. The justification can be that through the rituals and experiments performed on her, amazing and radical changes have occurred in her mental status. A last and moderate choice is to leave both of them as they are but just re-distribute Nalia's thieving skills to make her a better trap finder/disarmer. 10% of her pick pocket skill can be safely moved to her remove trap. Any comments? This post has been edited by Sikret: Jul 3 2007, 07:33 AM -------------------- Improved Anvil
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Jul 9 2007, 02:59 PM
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Forum Member Posts: 524 Joined: 12-April 06 From: Netherlands |
After having played IA version 2 or something along those lines I'm very much interested in playing it again this summer. Since I'm planning to take Nalia along for the run here are my thoughts on the matter.
Currently (if all is correct) the Nalia stats are: Open Locks: 60 % Find Traps: 80 % Pick Pockets: 35 % Move silently: 20 % Hide in Shadows: 15 % Detect Illusion: 0 % Set TRaps: 5 % Backstab Multiplier: 2x Personally I think her Find Traps value is quite enough. With either the Ring of Danger Sense (+25%) and later the upgraded version (Ring of Burglary), she'll have it topped out at 105%, which would be more than enough. Her Pick Locks may be improved slightly since with the Ring of Lockpicks/ Ring of Burglary it will maximize at 85%. It's not that bad, but I would maybe improve it slightly to allow it to reach maybe 95% when using the ring? There is of course a ring slot conflict until you can forge the Ring of Burglary, but I always found that that added a nice touch to it. I don't know why she would need the points in pick pockets, since she's Nobility and with her personality she would refrain from such actions.... I think this would be the source of point deduction if another one is to be raised. Finally, since she had some help from her servants with sneaking in and out of the keep, I see no justification in either having to drastically adjust her 'hide in shadows' or 'move silently'. Maybe a 5% here or there so that she might have some decent values when using other gear like the boots of stealth or such. I think the final stats could be nicely adjusted to without having to raise her thief levels: Open Locks: 60 % -> 70% Find Traps: 80 % Pick Pockets: 35 % -> 15% Move silently: 20 % -> 25% Hide in Shadows: 15 % -> 20% Detect Illusion: 0 % Set TRaps: 5 % Backstab Multiplier: 2x EDIT1: I recall that the keep trap levels are all 70- except for 2... but you can imagine that those were installed there by the current inhabitants. EDIT2: I definately enjoy the thought of Imoen as a Wild Mage. That would be a very interesting change. This post has been edited by lroumen: Jul 9 2007, 03:04 PM |
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Sikret Nalia & Imoen Jul 3 2007, 07:32 AM
Stu
I'm doing this in my current game atm with a ... Jul 3 2007, 07:59 AM
Sikret Thanks for the comments, Stu!
Atm Nalia... Jul 3 2007, 08:55 AM
Toxeus
Well, none of these two NPCs have the best select... Jul 3 2007, 06:43 PM
shadan Agree, Nalia and Imoen are very similar to each ot... Jul 3 2007, 10:43 AM
muddymissfit
Another option is to leave Nalia as she is and c... Jul 3 2007, 12:56 PM
rbeverjr Personally, I wouldn't mind a change in one or... Jul 3 2007, 01:28 PM
Raven I would say tweak Nalia's thief points but oth... Jul 3 2007, 02:17 PM
rbeverjr
Also it's clear from what she says that Nalia... Jul 3 2007, 02:34 PM

Sikret
A sorcerer learns magic too. It takes XP for them... Jul 3 2007, 02:52 PM

Raven
A sorcerer learns magic too. It takes XP for them... Jul 3 2007, 06:28 PM
Sikret
Also it's clear from what she says that Nali... Jul 3 2007, 02:45 PM
thetruth
In general, I agree that Nalia's dialogues m... Jul 8 2007, 06:37 PM
nataben1314 Well I'm personally not a big fan of Nalia or ... Jul 3 2007, 03:34 PM
rbeverjr Off topic (unless this trivia matters to someone v... Jul 3 2007, 03:55 PM
Sikret I have also read somewhere that sorcerers have dra... Jul 3 2007, 04:07 PM
Baronius My vote goes for Imoen as a sorceress. It would al... Jul 3 2007, 04:28 PM
coaster I quite like the idea of Immy as sorceress, but in... Jul 3 2007, 04:39 PM
Baronius I really liked her as a thief in BG1, and absolute... Jul 3 2007, 04:50 PM
leonidas Nalia is already the most powerful mage choice, an... Jul 3 2007, 05:05 PM
(Ø=M)^42 I would like to see Imoen as a Thief->Sorcerer,... Jul 3 2007, 08:04 PM
Clown Personally I've always missed the chance to ke... Jul 3 2007, 09:18 PM
sturmvogel I refuse to suffer any penalties when adding in a ... Jul 3 2007, 09:24 PM
Arkain Sorcerers:
While some reasons are given why they h... Jul 3 2007, 09:32 PM
Marceror I've been reading up on this topic and the mor... Jul 3 2007, 09:42 PM
Roy Usually I don't even take Imoen or Nalia.As th... Jul 4 2007, 07:31 PM
Romulas I vote for immy to be a sorceress, straight and tr... Jul 5 2007, 09:46 PM
Marceror Oh sure, leave the guy with the greatest phobia ab... Jul 6 2007, 12:10 AM
Ryel ril Ers I vote for Imoen as a sorcerer one condition. Pick... Jul 8 2007, 12:32 PM
Stu
I was pretty annoyed that the game designers sudd... Jul 9 2007, 05:49 AM
Shaitan If it isn't to late I'll say keep Nalia as... Jul 9 2007, 07:52 AM
Sikret Nalia will remain a theif-mage for sure. I've ... Jul 9 2007, 08:34 AM
muddymissfit
considering the actual role of thieves in game -... Jul 9 2007, 10:11 AM
Exor I vote for Immy to become a Thief/Wildmage and Nal... Jul 9 2007, 11:13 AM
Shaitan
There's a mod out there making Nallys thiefs... Jul 9 2007, 11:55 AM
Raven
Making her a sorcerer on the other hand increases... Jul 9 2007, 12:53 PM
rbeverjr I still agree that it was not a good idea for Biow... Jul 9 2007, 01:30 PM
Sikret Welcome to the forum, Iroumen!
Nalia's pi... Jul 9 2007, 03:06 PM
lroumen Thank you.
That's a good point. I hadn't ... Jul 9 2007, 03:22 PM
Magnus_025 What worries me the most is that if Immy is change... Jul 28 2007, 10:17 AM
Sikret I moved your post to the right topic, Magnus!
... Jul 28 2007, 11:45 AM
lroumen Yoshimo is a weak character in IA (regardless of c... Jul 29 2007, 09:49 AM
Sikret Yoshimo is a weak character in IA (regardless of c... Jul 29 2007, 10:56 AM
lroumen Ah yes, I didn't mean to suggest it for an Anv... Jul 29 2007, 04:52 PM
berelinde Zyraen's Miscellany at PPG offers the opportun... Jul 29 2007, 05:33 PM
lroumen Thanks for the information. Now I remember... that... Jul 29 2007, 07:11 PM
Magnus_025 Ok Sikret, let's make a deal then: I continue ... Jul 29 2007, 07:19 PM
Raven I want to say that I really like the idea of Immy ... Jul 29 2007, 07:30 PM
Silverstar Hmm, will there be a seperate component to make Im... Jul 29 2007, 10:54 PM
Demivrgvs I've always seen and played Imoen as a Swashbu... Aug 1 2007, 07:32 AM
lroumen I've always seen and played Imoen as a Swashbu... Aug 1 2007, 09:56 AM
Magnus_025 A little change is always welcome, but everyone kn... Aug 2 2007, 09:03 AM
Baronius And wasn't it shocking to see her degraded to ... Aug 2 2007, 09:45 AM
Magnus_025 Yes I was surprised that she was changed into a Du... Aug 2 2007, 10:34 AM
lroumen I think that if written well in a few banters, the... Aug 2 2007, 11:16 AM
Magnus_025 And couldn't it be Nalia the one who changes i... Aug 2 2007, 11:23 AM
Baronius I believe the other thread is supposed to be only ... Aug 2 2007, 11:34 AM
Sikret @Magnus:
Yes, Nalia was also a choice. As you can... Aug 2 2007, 02:19 PM
berelinde The biggest argument for Imoen's theiving skil... Aug 2 2007, 03:02 PM
Providence The biggest argument for Imoen's theiving skil... Aug 2 2007, 09:13 PM
Magnus_025 Yeah, they probably wanted us to dual her to a mag... Aug 2 2007, 10:47 PM
Providence Yeah, they probably wanted us to dual her to a mag... Aug 2 2007, 11:11 PM
lroumen They could have kept her a thief, given her a Wand... Aug 2 2007, 11:53 PM
Shaitan Besides BG1 didn't really need a mage thus per... Aug 11 2007, 08:18 AM![]() ![]() |
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