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Jul 3 2007, 07:32 AM
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The Tactician ![]() Distinguished Developer Posts: 7794 Joined: 1-December 05 |
Are you happy with Nalia's class (= A weaker duplicate of Imeon)? Or do you prefer her to be a sorceress? Of course, she says things about lockpicking in her dialogues, but perhaps they are not really too many or too important. Another alternative is to increase her level in thief class to make her a better thief for those who want to save a slot for a party member (though in this way she will become even more identical with Imoen).
Another option is to leave Nalia as she is and change Imoen to a Sorceress when you find her in Spellhold. The justification can be that through the rituals and experiments performed on her, amazing and radical changes have occurred in her mental status. A last and moderate choice is to leave both of them as they are but just re-distribute Nalia's thieving skills to make her a better trap finder/disarmer. 10% of her pick pocket skill can be safely moved to her remove trap. Any comments? This post has been edited by Sikret: Jul 3 2007, 07:33 AM -------------------- Improved Anvil
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Jul 3 2007, 07:59 AM
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Forum Member Posts: 53 Joined: 13-June 07 From: Adelaide, Australia |
QUOTE Or do you prefer her to be a sorceress? I'm doing this in my current game atm with a lvl1 npc mod! Atm Nalia's thief levels are mostly there to give her a few more weapon choices, she's still a more than capable mage (i.e. there isnt much of an xp hit from 4 thief levels). Changing her to a sorcerer - I can see the appeal (having done that myself) but I'm not sure how well it would be received as part of IA - There will definitely be some objections from people and there are already a few ways that players can already do the change themselves. Additionally there are some very good Sorcerer npc mods out there - Tashia was very well done and from what I've heard Kelsy was nothing short of exceptional. So imho, Nalia->sorcerer wouldn't be that great as part of a compulsory component of IA. I'm all for altering her thief skills to make her a better trap finder/disarmer though! Higher thief levels, as mentioned would make Nalia too similar to Imoen. If Imoen were then changed this could have some merit. What I wouldn't mind is a bit more control over what Imoen becomes, perhaps making her a lower level thief with enough XP to bring her to the lvl of the pc would be good. That way the player could turn her into whatever they like (or what they did in BGI). Just a few ideas. |
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Jul 3 2007, 08:55 AM
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The Tactician ![]() Distinguished Developer Posts: 7794 Joined: 1-December 05 |
Thanks for the comments, Stu!
Atm Nalia's thief levels are mostly there to give her a few more weapon choices, she's still a more than capable mage (i.e. there isnt much of an xp hit from 4 thief levels). I agree. QUOTE Additionally there are some very good Sorcerer npc mods out there - Tashia was very well done and from what I've heard Kelsy was nothing short of exceptional. Well, none of these two NPCs have the best selection of spells. Selecting good spells is the most important factor for a sorcerer. I also don't like their voices, portraits and dialogues and do not install them myself. Moreover, I never presume that players have any other specific mod installed. Some players just play IA with no other mods and I want them to fully enjoy the game as well. Ok, let me explain the problem again: The game has no sorcerer NPC but has two identical dual class thief-mages. When I reach Imoen in spellhold, I have no motive to let her join the party as Nalia is already a much better mage by that time. Now, the question is: Should something be done to change this situation or not? If yes, what? QUOTE So imho, Nalia->sorcerer wouldn't be that great as part of a compulsory component of IA. I'm all for altering her thief skills to make her a better trap finder/disarmer though! Yes, I too, currently lean towards re-distributing Nalia's thieving skills and keeping her as she is. Changing Imoen to a sorceress has much more appeal to me as it will give me good and strong motive to have her in party. It's still a rough idea and I may eventually drop it depending on the feedback I receive here. Thanks again. -------------------- Improved Anvil
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Sikret Nalia & Imoen Jul 3 2007, 07:32 AM
Toxeus
Well, none of these two NPCs have the best select... Jul 3 2007, 06:43 PM
shadan Agree, Nalia and Imoen are very similar to each ot... Jul 3 2007, 10:43 AM
muddymissfit
Another option is to leave Nalia as she is and c... Jul 3 2007, 12:56 PM
rbeverjr Personally, I wouldn't mind a change in one or... Jul 3 2007, 01:28 PM
Raven I would say tweak Nalia's thief points but oth... Jul 3 2007, 02:17 PM
rbeverjr
Also it's clear from what she says that Nalia... Jul 3 2007, 02:34 PM

Sikret
A sorcerer learns magic too. It takes XP for them... Jul 3 2007, 02:52 PM

Raven
A sorcerer learns magic too. It takes XP for them... Jul 3 2007, 06:28 PM
Sikret
Also it's clear from what she says that Nali... Jul 3 2007, 02:45 PM
thetruth
In general, I agree that Nalia's dialogues m... Jul 8 2007, 06:37 PM
nataben1314 Well I'm personally not a big fan of Nalia or ... Jul 3 2007, 03:34 PM
rbeverjr Off topic (unless this trivia matters to someone v... Jul 3 2007, 03:55 PM
Sikret I have also read somewhere that sorcerers have dra... Jul 3 2007, 04:07 PM
Baronius My vote goes for Imoen as a sorceress. It would al... Jul 3 2007, 04:28 PM
coaster I quite like the idea of Immy as sorceress, but in... Jul 3 2007, 04:39 PM
Baronius I really liked her as a thief in BG1, and absolute... Jul 3 2007, 04:50 PM
leonidas Nalia is already the most powerful mage choice, an... Jul 3 2007, 05:05 PM
(Ø=M)^42 I would like to see Imoen as a Thief->Sorcerer,... Jul 3 2007, 08:04 PM
Clown Personally I've always missed the chance to ke... Jul 3 2007, 09:18 PM
sturmvogel I refuse to suffer any penalties when adding in a ... Jul 3 2007, 09:24 PM
Arkain Sorcerers:
While some reasons are given why they h... Jul 3 2007, 09:32 PM
Marceror I've been reading up on this topic and the mor... Jul 3 2007, 09:42 PM
Roy Usually I don't even take Imoen or Nalia.As th... Jul 4 2007, 07:31 PM
Romulas I vote for immy to be a sorceress, straight and tr... Jul 5 2007, 09:46 PM
Marceror Oh sure, leave the guy with the greatest phobia ab... Jul 6 2007, 12:10 AM
Ryel ril Ers I vote for Imoen as a sorcerer one condition. Pick... Jul 8 2007, 12:32 PM
Stu
I was pretty annoyed that the game designers sudd... Jul 9 2007, 05:49 AM
Shaitan If it isn't to late I'll say keep Nalia as... Jul 9 2007, 07:52 AM
Sikret Nalia will remain a theif-mage for sure. I've ... Jul 9 2007, 08:34 AM
muddymissfit
considering the actual role of thieves in game -... Jul 9 2007, 10:11 AM
Exor I vote for Immy to become a Thief/Wildmage and Nal... Jul 9 2007, 11:13 AM
Shaitan
There's a mod out there making Nallys thiefs... Jul 9 2007, 11:55 AM
Raven
Making her a sorcerer on the other hand increases... Jul 9 2007, 12:53 PM
rbeverjr I still agree that it was not a good idea for Biow... Jul 9 2007, 01:30 PM
lroumen After having played IA version 2 or something alon... Jul 9 2007, 02:59 PM
Sikret Welcome to the forum, Iroumen!
Nalia's pi... Jul 9 2007, 03:06 PM
lroumen Thank you.
That's a good point. I hadn't ... Jul 9 2007, 03:22 PM
Magnus_025 What worries me the most is that if Immy is change... Jul 28 2007, 10:17 AM
Sikret I moved your post to the right topic, Magnus!
... Jul 28 2007, 11:45 AM
lroumen Yoshimo is a weak character in IA (regardless of c... Jul 29 2007, 09:49 AM
Sikret Yoshimo is a weak character in IA (regardless of c... Jul 29 2007, 10:56 AM
lroumen Ah yes, I didn't mean to suggest it for an Anv... Jul 29 2007, 04:52 PM
berelinde Zyraen's Miscellany at PPG offers the opportun... Jul 29 2007, 05:33 PM
lroumen Thanks for the information. Now I remember... that... Jul 29 2007, 07:11 PM
Magnus_025 Ok Sikret, let's make a deal then: I continue ... Jul 29 2007, 07:19 PM
Raven I want to say that I really like the idea of Immy ... Jul 29 2007, 07:30 PM
Silverstar Hmm, will there be a seperate component to make Im... Jul 29 2007, 10:54 PM
Demivrgvs I've always seen and played Imoen as a Swashbu... Aug 1 2007, 07:32 AM
lroumen I've always seen and played Imoen as a Swashbu... Aug 1 2007, 09:56 AM
Magnus_025 A little change is always welcome, but everyone kn... Aug 2 2007, 09:03 AM
Baronius And wasn't it shocking to see her degraded to ... Aug 2 2007, 09:45 AM
Magnus_025 Yes I was surprised that she was changed into a Du... Aug 2 2007, 10:34 AM
lroumen I think that if written well in a few banters, the... Aug 2 2007, 11:16 AM
Magnus_025 And couldn't it be Nalia the one who changes i... Aug 2 2007, 11:23 AM
Baronius I believe the other thread is supposed to be only ... Aug 2 2007, 11:34 AM
Sikret @Magnus:
Yes, Nalia was also a choice. As you can... Aug 2 2007, 02:19 PM
berelinde The biggest argument for Imoen's theiving skil... Aug 2 2007, 03:02 PM
Providence The biggest argument for Imoen's theiving skil... Aug 2 2007, 09:13 PM
Magnus_025 Yeah, they probably wanted us to dual her to a mag... Aug 2 2007, 10:47 PM
Providence Yeah, they probably wanted us to dual her to a mag... Aug 2 2007, 11:11 PM
lroumen They could have kept her a thief, given her a Wand... Aug 2 2007, 11:53 PM
Shaitan Besides BG1 didn't really need a mage thus per... Aug 11 2007, 08:18 AM![]() ![]() |
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