Profanity in mods, [split by Baronius; Domi's request] Options

[Domi]

BG1 is a PG13 game, so the developper to start with did not intend it for children. There are characters in BG1 that say stuff like "Will one of you rugged adventurers give me a good, hard shag?"

The mods/mods components are sometimes rated as well (for example some of BG1NPC Romances are rated R for language or adult situations), while the mod itself is the same as the game, to avoid embaracing the selective players. It will be nice, if people used the rating system more vigorously.

I guess this is why most sci-fi/fantasy tv creates new profanities - frac, frell etc

And that is why the authors who have guts to carter to adult audience and have no pangs of guilt about it, read so real and have their own appreciative following. (Points to Martin).

In other words, do what you feel is right, just warn the consummer about it. I always make a point of explaining that Martin is gritty, uses the obscenities and does not draw curtains when his characters decided to make love, when I recommend his books. Yes, I love what he does. No, I don't expect everyone to agree with me that it is how it should be done.

This post has been edited by Domi: Jan 9 2006, 09:03 PM

[Baronius]

I remember that someone (maybe it was you, I am not sure) said the she would make the mod exactly in the way she likes it even if no player would prefer it in that way at all, i.e. that players needs/requests/feedback are not important at all when developing, only what the author likes. I say yes to this, but then such a mod shouldn't be published.

The feedback/ideas/etc are fine, but the descision is ultimately the author's. And I don't understand why it *should not* be published? Especially the use of *should* . I think the author have the right to ultimately decide if s/he wants the feedback during the developmental stage or not, and if s/he wants to put the mod up for download or not. It is also the author's decsision on what to do with the mod after the release - to keep it up for download, discontinue it after a while, etc.

You are right here. Also, when I said that a mod shouldn't be released if the players' needs are entirely different than authors concept, I assumed that the mod did get feedback. If it's a mod developed in secret, then its release will show if it's liked or not liked by most of its players.
I was very vague when I said that when forming opinion, I ignore the attitude (or viewpoint) that says that mods must be done ONLY for own entertaintainment. One of the most important things (in fact, the most important) is that we enjoy what we do. This is true to our job, and to hobbies as well such as modding. What I wanted to express actually is that a modder shouldn't (i.e. it would be unwise to do so) release a mod if the feedback of most players is entirely against the author's concept; the author should change on the mod based on the player suggestions/feedback, but of course only on certain parts, and only if it doesn't violate the main concept.
To sum up, what I wanted to say is: extremes are never good. Player feedback can be often misleading, but it is also not good if the author closes his/her eyes and ears, and doesn't consider the suggestions of players.


SirKill is right in his last post. And I also consider the discussion about rape closed from my side. I would like to finish my post with three quotes:

As I said before, the main point is to know that "being evil" doesn't entail "being dirty and cheap". The two are not the same.

Killing an innocent person to gain a goal is an evil task, but raping her is a dirty and cheap behavior. Once one learns the difference, all other related distinctions will become clear. Adding dirty contents to the game cannot be justified by referring to already existent evil contents such as killings. Adding such things to the game through a module will only cheapen and reduce the quality of the game. "Evil" and "dirty" are not synonymous.

I think stealing, hurting, and killing innocents, looting tombs and betraying people who trust is enough for <CHARNAME> to act out her feelings of ill mindedness without the need of diving into the deep, dark area of sexual harassement. The latter is much too real to be included into this fantasy game, thank you very much.

To be honest I don't think you could do rape in BG even if you wanted to.

Rape as a dialog option would be laughable.

I would agree that making a mod that included rape would be a waste of time.