Profanity in mods, [split by Baronius; Domi's request] Options

[Domi]

BG1 is a PG13 game, so the developper to start with did not intend it for children. There are characters in BG1 that say stuff like "Will one of you rugged adventurers give me a good, hard shag?"

The mods/mods components are sometimes rated as well (for example some of BG1NPC Romances are rated R for language or adult situations), while the mod itself is the same as the game, to avoid embaracing the selective players. It will be nice, if people used the rating system more vigorously.

I guess this is why most sci-fi/fantasy tv creates new profanities - frac, frell etc

And that is why the authors who have guts to carter to adult audience and have no pangs of guilt about it, read so real and have their own appreciative following. (Points to Martin).

In other words, do what you feel is right, just warn the consummer about it. I always make a point of explaining that Martin is gritty, uses the obscenities and does not draw curtains when his characters decided to make love, when I recommend his books. Yes, I love what he does. No, I don't expect everyone to agree with me that it is how it should be done.

This post has been edited by Domi: Jan 9 2006, 09:03 PM

[Sorrow]

3. She has fun by raping him.

That is pure fantasy on your behalf. Evil could just do things because they don't care about it either way and not because it is "fun".

Oh, so she raped him because she didn't care?
It's illogical.
If she didn't care, she would kill him outright.
And believe me, hurting others can be veeeeeeery satisfying and therefore can be called "fun" .

Rape victims don't really have a choice in anything that happened otherwise they wouldn't have been a victim in the first place.

I was talking a specific situation, where attacker uses weapon to force victim to do what attacker wants.
So in that situation there's a choice between getting killed and not getting killed.
I'm talking about this, because I think that despicability of the crime should be measured by how much it violates wictims Will.
If we have a situation in which for example victim has a choice, i.e. get's robbed or get's murdered etc., we can trace victims choices of those situation and use it as a guide to say which crime is more despicable.
And I have a distinct impression that getting murdered/maimed is a choice of minority, so I think that it's a most despicable crime, because it violates victims Will in greatest deagree.

None of which is necessarily traumatic, a player who is following the storyline from the point of view that they are trying to right a wrong (Irenicus kidnapping Imoen and then taking their soul) might not feel traumatised by anything that happens in the game. Trauma is purely subjective in this instance.

Living in constant paranoia (it's the only way that PC could survive) and in constant danger is a traumatic experience IMO.

When we are talking about evil characters it is. If you are saying evil can be cool then it is about the morality of seeing an evil person as cool. But again that is a point of view you may have. You may see Hitler as cool, I do not. You may see Hitler as not being "evil" but I do (though not necessarily the same type of evil you encounter in FR worlds granted ).

I was talking about the fact that cool isn't good, so if evil is cool it doesn't mean that it's less despicable.
The problem is that a lot of people refuse to reject evil people, because they are to cool to be rejected*.
Hitler was cool, because he did get power though being cool, but he also have proven that besides being cool isn't enough - he killed a lot of people and he was a horrible war leader that lost war because he was doing things that were cool (for example he wasted a lot of precious resources for a project of giant tank, he ordered his soldiers to fight to last bullet, etc.), but he was cool and german people believed him.
So, while he was cool and he had great power thanks to his coolness, he was evil.
Same thing applies the person that was described by Sikret.
That person may have some cool rules, but those rules only hide how low and cheap and dirty that person is.
What's the point in having cool rules if the said person kills Valygar anyway after the usuccesfull attempt of deforming his Will?

*There a lot of people that forget that simple truth.
For example when I was in primary school, there was one boy in class that was "cool" and he had done many evil things, like harassing other class members and rape and he got away with everything because he was "cool". He even got a very good mark for his behaviour (I'm not sure how it's called in foreign schools) because teachers liked him and didn't like the girl that he have raped .