Profanity in mods, [split by Baronius; Domi's request] Options

[Domi]

BG1 is a PG13 game, so the developper to start with did not intend it for children. There are characters in BG1 that say stuff like "Will one of you rugged adventurers give me a good, hard shag?"

The mods/mods components are sometimes rated as well (for example some of BG1NPC Romances are rated R for language or adult situations), while the mod itself is the same as the game, to avoid embaracing the selective players. It will be nice, if people used the rating system more vigorously.

I guess this is why most sci-fi/fantasy tv creates new profanities - frac, frell etc

And that is why the authors who have guts to carter to adult audience and have no pangs of guilt about it, read so real and have their own appreciative following. (Points to Martin).

In other words, do what you feel is right, just warn the consummer about it. I always make a point of explaining that Martin is gritty, uses the obscenities and does not draw curtains when his characters decided to make love, when I recommend his books. Yes, I love what he does. No, I don't expect everyone to agree with me that it is how it should be done.

This post has been edited by Domi: Jan 9 2006, 09:03 PM

[Sorrow]

Villain A plainly stupid.
1. She doesn't respect Valygar's refusal to go to Planar Sphere.
2. She tries to intimidate Valygar.
3. She risks her life and his plans by taking part in unnecessary duel.
If she has rules that forbid him attacking defenceless man, she can as well have rules that forbid him to kill the man that didn't harm her, so she has no excuse for that abominable murder.
I think that this makes "rules" of that character are *very* cheap and low.
Geeez she murders a man and goes to his house to accomplish his "will".
Of course her rules didn't respect his will to refuse and don't get murdered.
Now, that's *sick*.

Villain B is doing what she should do as evil character.
1. She proves superiority of evil by not giving him a chance to defend himself.
2. She proves him her superiority (without risking her plan by taking part in unnecessary duel) by raping him.
3. She has fun by raping him.
4. She is honest with him and with herself, she doesn't pretend to be better than she is.
5. She kills him, thus making sure that he will not stop her.
6. She takes full adventage of being evil.

Villain A is a character with rules that fell low and has cheap rules while Villain B is a perfect embodiment evil.
I would kill Villain A for a murder and for being a weak hipocrite that failed to respect the value of life and I would kill Villain B for a murder and being too dangerous.

I can't say that someone who threatens someone innocent with death is respectable or admirable.
I think that such person deserves being hung, not being admired.

This statement has little meaning as we were discussing actually being raped or being murdered. You can't choose to stay alive if you are murdered. Likewise I am sure rape victims don't console themselves with the thought "at least I wasn't murdered".

I wouldn't be so sure.
Rape often involves death threats, so victim is in situation when doing something against attackers will may end with death, so the possibility of dying is real.
I have never heard about rape victim that impaled herself on attackers knife to avoind getting raped, so I think that Will to live is strongest instinct and that means that murder is the worst and most despicable crime.

My statement was a response to your statement that rape is more degrading than murder.
I'd like to notice that one of most important aspects of being human is being alive and conscious - since murder takes the very thing that makes us humans away, I think that it's one of most degrading things.
Murder takes away *everything*.

How is <charname> traumatised?

Being hunted by assasins, having to kill a lot of people, living in constant danger, being pursued by law, tortures, etc.

It all depends on your point of view. If you have the point of view that evil characters can be "cool" and still commit murder and rape I would say that you are part of a small minority of the general population. The mainstream view would be that murderers and rapists are in no way cool and this is where I base my point of view from.

It's a dangerous presumption, because coolness isn't about morality.
Cool=charismatic, not cool=good

Sure it is contradictory but I didn't make a comparison between rape and beating I made a comparison between rape and murder. Misquoting me won't make what I said contradictory.

Sorry, I thought that you are making a comparision between a physical violence present in BG, (which is IMO cheap and dirty[all that blood...]) and rape.
I refered to beating, because murder is ends life, not makes it more unconfortable and therefore is in other category than rape.

This post has been edited by Sorrow: Jan 14 2006, 07:30 PM