Profanity in mods, [split by Baronius; Domi's request] Options

[Domi]

BG1 is a PG13 game, so the developper to start with did not intend it for children. There are characters in BG1 that say stuff like "Will one of you rugged adventurers give me a good, hard shag?"

The mods/mods components are sometimes rated as well (for example some of BG1NPC Romances are rated R for language or adult situations), while the mod itself is the same as the game, to avoid embaracing the selective players. It will be nice, if people used the rating system more vigorously.

I guess this is why most sci-fi/fantasy tv creates new profanities - frac, frell etc

And that is why the authors who have guts to carter to adult audience and have no pangs of guilt about it, read so real and have their own appreciative following. (Points to Martin).

In other words, do what you feel is right, just warn the consummer about it. I always make a point of explaining that Martin is gritty, uses the obscenities and does not draw curtains when his characters decided to make love, when I recommend his books. Yes, I love what he does. No, I don't expect everyone to agree with me that it is how it should be done.

This post has been edited by Domi: Jan 9 2006, 09:03 PM

[Baronius]

We're modders, and make content enjoyable for players (I ignore someone's comment that she makes mods only for her own entertainment -- in this case she shouldn't release them in the public and shouldn't talk about them).

Excuse me? I worked on BG1NPC solely for my own entertainment, I did stuff for it when nobody believed that it can be done, and lots of people enjoyed the end result of my labors. Was I wrong to do it? I do it for myself, I have fun with it, then I put it up for download and let people decide if they like it or not. The best way of doing bussiness.

Exactly. I would never make mods that I don't enjoy creating (except some small few-minute addons requested by players).
I have written "only for own entertainment". But I may have been inaccurate. I remember that someone (maybe it was you, I am not sure) said the she would make the mod exactly in the way she likes it even if no player would prefer it in that way at all, i.e. that players needs/requests/feedback are not important at all when developing, only what the author likes. I say yes to this, but then such a mod shouldn't be published.

Are you telling me that dragons and demons are nice? Why do you think dragons in all tales abduct young maidens then? And demons, don't they like... torture people? Or should we make them pink, fluffy and nice? The whole race of half-orks is labeled as "the product of rapes".? How about Khalid's mother, one of many elves captured by humans of Calimshan, sold as sex slaves and who died of abuse? There are spells in your spellbook that make a person's blood boil, or burn them into a pile of ashes, or shot them with acid. The area where the game takes place is called Sword Coast - for a good reason too. Human life is cheap there, both to kill and to sell as a slave. And you are telling me it is a nice place? That there are no low things happening there every step of the way?

Demons, orks etc. are not nice, and I have never said that low things don't exist, or that mods shouldn't add such. I just mean that adding rape isn't special at all, by 'low' I meant 'ordinary' as well; i.e. no big deal, not original, and something that just doesn't suit BG.
In films about medieval age, do you always see the "evil" side (or just the "enemy") raping helpless people all the time? It comes together with the war (in every age), but it is not so special that it should be represented, especially not in a D&D mod where evil player options can be much better, much more interesting than this.

Ah, so, now we are going to divide the community on the "real" modders and not real modders? Who like should not trail mud on our white carpets?

Though, maybe I am just an unreal modder or something. Only, like worked on mods for four years and stuff.

You took everything personal. (Not the first case.) I haven't written "a real modder (UNLIKE Domi)", I have written "a real modder" which means a "a real modder in my opinion". And I wasn't dividing anything, this "community" stuff is brought up by you. Don't take things always personal.

Don't know how about modders, but the advice given to a writer is always: write what you know.

Exactly. I never said that you (or anyone else) shouldn't. I just said my own opinion. And I'm not alone with this opinion. There are simply no ways in Inf. Engine to integrate such an option properly, and as I've said, it wouldn't be a so special addition that it would worth to be added.