Profanity in mods, [split by Baronius; Domi's request] Options

[Domi]

BG1 is a PG13 game, so the developper to start with did not intend it for children. There are characters in BG1 that say stuff like "Will one of you rugged adventurers give me a good, hard shag?"

The mods/mods components are sometimes rated as well (for example some of BG1NPC Romances are rated R for language or adult situations), while the mod itself is the same as the game, to avoid embaracing the selective players. It will be nice, if people used the rating system more vigorously.

I guess this is why most sci-fi/fantasy tv creates new profanities - frac, frell etc

And that is why the authors who have guts to carter to adult audience and have no pangs of guilt about it, read so real and have their own appreciative following. (Points to Martin).

In other words, do what you feel is right, just warn the consummer about it. I always make a point of explaining that Martin is gritty, uses the obscenities and does not draw curtains when his characters decided to make love, when I recommend his books. Yes, I love what he does. No, I don't expect everyone to agree with me that it is how it should be done.

This post has been edited by Domi: Jan 9 2006, 09:03 PM

[Sorrow]

Indeed. I will always speak against indulgence, with NPCs or PC. No Mary Sue free rides. I am putting my money where my mouth is. I have an option to tell that PC was raped by Irenicus/his cronies. I freely admit it.

I would be glad if someone made a mod that shows what PC went through.
I think that the way Bioware shown it is very primitive and unsatisfying.
I think that when PC is tortured, player should feel emotional, almost physical pain, not wander "WTF?".
I remember how suggestive were torture scenes in 1984.
I think that Irenicus was doing something similiar to PC and I think it needs a good descriptions.

In MV, if PC was not powerful enough, but was stupid enough to play with the dangerous man, he would force his opinions and desires on her, and yes, he would make her agree to sleep with him because he needed it for his plans. And you know what? I was writing those heart-wrenching hard dialogues, and people were *really* shocked when Boo was killed.

Boo was killed? PC was raped?
Sounds interesting.
What mod are you speaking about?

And the blurb "AD&D/BG/whatever was not meant for kids" has no meaning for a real modder. It may be true, but mods look and work like we, the modders, make them. It's easy to use the quoted statement as an excuse when we want to add e.g. adult content. Additionally, regardless it is meant to be for kids or not, there are younger people who play the game, and play our mods.

Sorry, but to me anyone who is making mods without at least M or R content isn't a real modder.
Making fluffy, sweet mods for underaged is a waste of time.
I don't need excuses to do what I do.

As Rabain has said, there are things that are simply not so important in the world of Faerun that they should be represented in the game. We need new and nice. This is a world about tales, legends, dragons, demons, kings & wars, let's be elegant when we decide to touch it and modify it.

Nope.
They may be not important to writers, but they are there.
There's no modification of the world, because such things are already there and they are important to people affected by them.

Adding rape to a game might be tempting because you can try something in a game without consequences which you can't do in the real life (normally), and this is what makes games tempting. (Just like you can be a terrorist in SWAT). But it won't make BG better and more interesting

I think that it would make BG better and more interesting, if there would be more realistic reputation and law enforcement system.
As long as PC can avoid punishment rape is a good option of showing PCs evilness and cruelity.
And if PC isn't able to avoid it, then the punishment is a good way of showing PCs incompetence.
I don't think that such deeds shall remain without consequences, both negative and positive.
For example getting exposed as rapist isn't a good idea and may cause trouble to PC but from the other side henchpersons may think that PC is a good person, because he/she allows them to rape and pillage, which is a good thing because they risk their lives for him/her and soldiers deserve to have some fun too.

An evil character may fight and kill his good enemy without defiling the enemy's honour. Such an evil character has goals to achieve. He may even let his enemy to write her will and may try to fulfil her last request. He may even take care of his enemy's children after killing her, because her death was needed for his goals but her children's deaths are not needed. We had such respectable evil characters in P&P AD&D. This is much different from an alternate evil character who would rape his enemy before killing her. The latter would have a dirty and cheap personality. This is not the same as being evil. There are both 'cheap' and 'great' evil personalities.

There aren't respectable and cheap evil people.
Frankly, I prefer people who murder and rape because they like to murder and rape.
Peoplo who treat human life as something that can be taken merely because of their pathethic goals are worst scum of the world.
At least having pleasure from murder and utterly destroing an enemy before killing him is a sign of respect to value of life.
People who treat murder as a tool have no respect for life and therefore are more despicable thatn "low" rapists or serial murderers.

There is also one (perhaps controversial) side point which deserves consideration. Being the slave of one's own sexual desires makes it too difficult for a character to gain great powers. Power calls for discipline and self-control. I cannot imagine a very high level character whose hands and knees start trembling on seeing the opposite sex. High level characters need to have focus and self-control and avoid cheap manners, in my opinion.

I don't think that one needs to be weak to rape a defeated enemy or his/her servants.
One doesn't even need to seek a sexual fulfillment in such act.
One may rape or force victim to commit sexual act without being a slave to desire.
Such act should be commited when there's no danger present and when victim is completely defenceless and broken.
BTW. I wonder if there's magic that would cause enemies hands knees to tremble at the sight of PC?
I think that enslavement and rape of desire and will is a lot more funny than enslavement of body.