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Domi
post Jan 9 2006, 09:02 PM
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BG1 is a PG13 game, so the developper to start with did not intend it for children. There are characters in BG1 that say stuff like "Will one of you rugged adventurers give me a good, hard shag?"

The mods/mods components are sometimes rated as well (for example some of BG1NPC Romances are rated R for language or adult situations), while the mod itself is the same as the game, to avoid embaracing the selective players. It will be nice, if people used the rating system more vigorously.

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I guess this is why most sci-fi/fantasy tv creates new profanities - frac, frell etc


And that is why the authors who have guts to carter to adult audience and have no pangs of guilt about it, read so real and have their own appreciative following. (Points to Martin).

In other words, do what you feel is right, just warn the consummer about it. I always make a point of explaining that Martin is gritty, uses the obscenities and does not draw curtains when his characters decided to make love, when I recommend his books. Yes, I love what he does. No, I don't expect everyone to agree with me that it is how it should be done.

This post has been edited by Domi: Jan 9 2006, 09:03 PM


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Baronius
post Jan 10 2006, 04:18 PM
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Split done. smile.gif

Now, since we are in the appropriate thread, I would like to summarize my opinion as well.
In your mod, if you have to express the momental agression/disappointment/surprise of a character or his/her intention to insult the other character, you can do it without using real life profanity. So I absolutely agree with the following:
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I have no problem with calling someone "a son of filthy orc riding whore" because you wouldn't use that in your everyday conversation with one of your friends would you? Calling someone "a son of a f*cking slut" in the same situation would not be okay in my opinion as it does not fit into the setting.


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Domi   Profanity in mods   Jan 9 2006, 09:02 PM
Sorrow   I second that. I hate cRPGs aimed for early teens...   Jan 9 2006, 10:43 PM
Rabain   @Sorrow - Real world profanites detract from the g...   Jan 9 2006, 11:24 PM
Sorrow   Profanity *is* neccesary, because it can be used t...   Jan 10 2006, 12:29 AM
Galactygon   To a certain extent, profanity is necessary to a...   Jan 10 2006, 03:02 AM
Rabain   Give me an example of where profanity is used effe...   Jan 10 2006, 08:48 AM
Sorrow   Creators of the core game failed to use profanity...   Jan 10 2006, 10:09 AM
Domi   Baldur's Gate/mods uses whore and whoreson qui...   Jan 10 2006, 11:11 AM
Rabain   As I pointed out some profanities are acceptable o...   Jan 10 2006, 02:52 PM
Domi   I was enjoying the discussion with Rabain, and we ...   Jan 10 2006, 04:07 PM
Baronius   Split done. :) Now, since we are in the appropria...   Jan 10 2006, 04:18 PM
Domi   Found it! Was looking for it in the General Mo...   Jan 10 2006, 05:03 PM
kulyok   It depends on the writer. It very much depends on...   Jan 10 2006, 05:24 PM
Domi   Hmm, to be honest, I did long for f-word for Ire...   Jan 10 2006, 06:13 PM
Rabain   The problem with modern swear words is that they h...   Jan 10 2006, 06:44 PM
Domi   From Korgan or similar type, I would actually pref...   Jan 10 2006, 07:23 PM
Thauron   When I read the original 'so far, sooooo good...   Jan 10 2006, 08:11 PM
Sorrow   I second that. Personally I think that old prof...   Jan 10 2006, 08:33 PM
Domi   Yes, agreed. Basically, I was thinking about th...   Jan 10 2006, 08:54 PM
Baronius   They may not have such impact, but the modern one...   Jan 10 2006, 11:11 PM
Sorrow   I think that if PC is offended by profanities, she...   Jan 11 2006, 12:32 PM
Thauron   I think profanities should fit in the setting firs...   Jan 11 2006, 12:35 PM
kulyok   Yeeeeees? (You are really, really making such a...   Jan 11 2006, 01:21 PM
NiGHTMARE   I strongly disagree with that. The subject may h...   Jan 11 2006, 01:25 PM
Thauron   Well, I have been thinking about one such scene ...   Jan 11 2006, 03:00 PM
kulyok   Oh, yes - mods which employ open rape at the mom...   Jan 11 2006, 03:28 PM
Domi   Reading Decameron, I was thinking that the society...   Jan 11 2006, 05:13 PM
jastey   Domi: Who is Martin?   Jan 11 2006, 06:13 PM
Domi   G.R.R. Martin is the best fantasy writer -though o...   Jan 11 2006, 07:44 PM
Sorrow   I think that sexual harassment would be very int...   Jan 12 2006, 01:39 AM
jastey   Including Aerie, I guess. Would you please take t...   Jan 12 2006, 04:49 PM
Rabain   To be honest I don't think you could do rape i...   Jan 12 2006, 05:40 PM
Domi   You can probably do an option that summarily allow...   Jan 12 2006, 06:38 PM
Thauron   I don't believe inlcuding rape as an option fo...   Jan 12 2006, 08:00 PM
Domi   I did not mean it as an attack, but I feel that it...   Jan 12 2006, 08:40 PM
Thauron   But is the same scene not as effective when you ...   Jan 12 2006, 09:03 PM
Domi   Re: Sarevok/Iernicus - the footwork is usually res...   Jan 12 2006, 09:20 PM
Rabain   In order to truly represent evil you would have to...   Jan 12 2006, 09:27 PM
Domi   Then let him step in! Just don't give him ...   Jan 12 2006, 09:31 PM
Rabain   You could create a mod that does that yes but to w...   Jan 12 2006, 09:45 PM
Sorrow   So, if male is raped by a woman or other male it...   Jan 12 2006, 09:48 PM
jastey   I didn't say it's perfectly OK. I said I ...   Jan 12 2006, 09:59 PM
Domi   Let me try to explain it this way - I have no pr...   Jan 12 2006, 10:00 PM
Domi   His wife, Arwen's and her twin brother mothe...   Jan 12 2006, 10:06 PM
Sorrow   This is sick, sorry. [/quote] Why?   Jan 12 2006, 10:11 PM
Rabain   You cannot have it both ways, which is essentially...   Jan 12 2006, 10:31 PM
Sorrow   I don't think it would make a big difference...   Jan 12 2006, 11:14 PM
Domi   Indeed. I will always speak against indulgence, ...   Jan 12 2006, 11:34 PM
Baronius   Adding rape to a game might be tempting because yo...   Jan 12 2006, 11:58 PM
Domi   Excuse me? I worked on BG1NPC solely for my own ...   Jan 13 2006, 03:16 AM
Sikret   In my opinion, Evil creatures are of different sor...   Jan 13 2006, 04:01 AM
Sorrow   Boo was killed? PC was raped? Sounds interesting...   Jan 13 2006, 12:56 PM
Domi   An abandoned one, the Midnight Visitor, at G3. P...   Jan 13 2006, 02:08 PM
Sorrow   I have to disagree here. I think that raping is ...   Jan 13 2006, 04:14 PM
Domi   I am not sure if I like the term "escapism...   Jan 13 2006, 04:29 PM
Rabain   Can we move off the topic of rape now? I think th...   Jan 13 2006, 05:04 PM
Domi   I think we are already off rape into the "Wha...   Jan 13 2006, 06:08 PM
Rabain   Escapism to me has two aspects, they can be separa...   Jan 13 2006, 06:31 PM
Domi   I am not sure where you are taking the idea that...   Jan 13 2006, 06:56 PM
Rabain   I was talking about dark fantasies in your mind, n...   Jan 13 2006, 07:03 PM
Domi   Then I don't understand how that can be legi...   Jan 13 2006, 07:35 PM
Sorrow   Dark fantasy of some persons mind who thinks about...   Jan 13 2006, 07:44 PM
kulyok   What is wrong with it? Ss long as they do not ac...   Jan 13 2006, 08:00 PM
Domi   I think he probably meant dreaming of the activiti...   Jan 13 2006, 08:20 PM
Rabain   The topic was escapism, I stated what I consider e...   Jan 13 2006, 08:31 PM
Baronius   Excuse me? I worked on BG1NPC solely for my own en...   Jan 13 2006, 10:56 PM
Sorrow   Actually I was talking about a small TC and a TC ...   Jan 14 2006, 01:22 AM
Domi   The Gladiator had a dialogue discussing the rape...   Jan 14 2006, 02:45 AM
Sikret   As I said before, the main point is to know that ...   Jan 14 2006, 06:06 AM
Sorrow   Death is dirtier and cheaper than rape. Especially...   Jan 14 2006, 02:04 PM
Rabain   None of which you are going to simulate with any s...   Jan 14 2006, 02:28 PM
Sorrow   I'm just pointing out that words noble or gran...   Jan 14 2006, 03:02 PM
Domi   Well, again, in the context of BG and BG alone, ...   Jan 14 2006, 03:42 PM
Rabain   And pretty much the only way of adding these optio...   Jan 14 2006, 03:45 PM
Sorrow   I think that there are two reasons to introduce ...   Jan 14 2006, 05:08 PM
Rabain   Practically all of your post is a point of view th...   Jan 14 2006, 05:51 PM
Sikret   Perhaps an example can be helpful here: "Vil...   Jan 14 2006, 06:07 PM
Sorrow   Villain A plainly stupid. 1. She doesn't respe...   Jan 14 2006, 07:28 PM
Rabain   That is pure fantasy on your behalf. Evil could ...   Jan 14 2006, 08:01 PM
Sorrow   That is pure fantasy on your behalf. Evil could ...   Jan 14 2006, 09:48 PM
Baronius   I didn't say you're not a real modder (wh...   Jan 14 2006, 11:57 PM
Rabain   My point was that you assumed it was fun when you ...   Jan 15 2006, 01:19 AM
Sir-Kill   There 254 distinguished shades of gray between bla...   Jan 15 2006, 03:15 AM
Baronius   You are right here. Also, when I said that a mod ...   Jan 15 2006, 03:50 PM
Sorrow   Yes, but becoming an embodiment of evil may also...   Jan 15 2006, 04:21 PM
Domi   Gods be good, Sorrow, you just have to get A Song ...   Jan 16 2006, 04:30 PM
Sorrow   I will get them as soon as I'll pay penalty fo...   Jan 16 2006, 06:45 PM


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