Imoen's dialogue lines, which relate to thieving Options

[Sikret]

Hi, all

Since Imoen is going to change to a sorceress, I want to change all of her dialogue lines in the vanilla game in which she probably refers to herself as a thief or talks about own thieving skills. If you know when and where she has some such lines in the game let me know. If you can also send me the exact wordings of what she says in each case, you will save much of my time and will help me release the mod sooner.

Thanks in advance

EDIT: Of course, I don't expect one single person to find and send all those lines to me. If you can remember even one dialogue in which Imoen refers to herself as thief, don't hesitate to send it. I can perform a search in an editor, but I may easily miss some of the lines if I use the wrong searching key words to detect each of them.

This post has been edited by Sikret: Jul 25 2007, 12:41 PM

[aVENGER]

In ToB, Imoen has a banter with Keldorn where she tries to pickpocket him.

Imoen! What... are you pawing at me yet again? Do you think I do not notice? You are attempting to pickpocket me, aren't you?!

The relevant STRREF is 68660, and the dialogue file in question is BKELDO25.DLG.

[Sikret]

Thanks a million, aVENGER!

Since Keldorn's line is also voiced, I decided not to touch that particular line. The banter proceeds as follows:

K: Imoen! What... are you pawing at me yet again? Do you think I do not notice? You are attempting to steal pickpocket me, aren't you?!

I: Well, no... I just...

K: Just what? Out with it, girl. I won't have a party member stealing from me.

This last line is not voiced and I thought to change it to this:

Just what? Out with it, girl. I won't have a party member stealing from me. I wonder what kind of things you might do if you were actually skilled in thievery rather than sorcery.

Since the whole banter was about Imoen trying to steal something from Keldorn, I thought not to change it radically. Any better suggestion as to how to handle this particular banter will be appreciated.

[thetruth]

Sikret download the NPC Interactions Guide by Dave Milward (found in Sorcerer's Place): link


You can find there all the dialogues lines of Imoen.

[berelinde]

How will this change be implemented? I'm not asking to stir trouble, because it's none of my business what IA does to Imoen's profession, but many mods deal with Imoen's relationship with the PC and with the group as a whole. This means that there are many interjections into her dialogue file, and mod plot-defining variables set there. Bypassing or falsing out states might cause other mods to break, and replacing the lines textually might cause their content to be rendered confusing.

Again, I am not writing this as an attempt to dissuade you from doing what you want to do, but rather asking that you let the community know so that mods that have Imoen content might update their documentation to include possible advisories.

Thanks.

[Sikret]

@thetruth
Thank you so very much for the link.

@berelinde
The changes will be applied in a friendly way with other mods. No dialogue state will be bypassed or falsed out. However, if any other mod *requires* Imoen to be a thief, then naturally there will be conceptual (not technical) incompatibilities.

[berelinde]

Conceptual incompatibilities don't worry me, only the technical ones.

You see, I'm starting on the BG2 portion of Gavin, with the possibility of an NPC/NPC romance. I don't much care if people scratch their heads in confusion if he makes a reference to a profession she no longer has. I can even live with interjections that wind up sounding like nonsequiters because the original dialogue is changed. I was just concerned that variables set in a state might be inadvertantly skipped.

[Magnus_025]

I believe that concerning to Imoen's dialog there is another one talking about thieving/pickpocketing. It is a banter (don't quite sure if it is from Vanilla BG2 or from Ascension) that usually triggers in Saradush's inn. It's between you, Imoen and Aerie (if Aerie's romance is active) about Immy stealing cookies from you and Aerie worried about the Taint.

Don't sure if this helps in something or not, but I hope that it does.

[Sikret]

Thanks, Magnus!

I have performed a through search and have already fixed all of Imoen's talks which I found to be related to her thieving skills. It's of course still possible that I might have missed something. Currently, I don't remember the piece of dialogue you mentioned. If you can verify that it is the vanilla game, I will check again.

[Magnus_025]

Glad to help!

Unfortunately I can't do that. It's going to be very difficult for me this summer just only to play because RL stuff.

[Sikret]

If you can at least give the exact wording, I will do a search. But if you can't, nevermind. As I said, I have already done a thorough search.

[lroumen]

The cookie conversation isn't really related to her thieving skills . It's the following one I grabbed from that NPC interactions guide which thetruth linked us to and I find it quite amusing (and befits even if she were a sorceress).

Aerie: I have a question for you, Imoen ... you have the taint of Bhaal within you? Does this mean that you will turn into the Slayer as well?

Imoen: I certainly hope not. I ... I have been thinking more and more lately about that, myself, though.

Aerie: It must be an awful feeling though. I can’t imagine how (CHARNAME) deals with it.

Imoen: Yeah ... (HE or SHE)’s been dealing with it longer, too. Sometimes, when it’s quiet, I can hear the taint in my heart whispering to me. It says awful things and I almost want to scream to shut them out.

Aerie: (gasp) You .. you haven’t done anything that it’s said, have you?

Imoen: Well, other than that time I got up in the middle of the night to snatch a bunch of cinnamon cookies, heck no.

Aerie: Oh, goo - What? Cinnamon cookies?

Imoen: Ha ha! Come on, Aerie! Lighten up, will ya? I’ll tell you what ... If I have any desires to murder you in the middle of the night, you’ll be the first to know, okay?

Aerie: That’s not very funny, Imoen. (CHARNAME) never makes fun of (HIS or HER) condition in that way.

(CHARNAME): Well, it’s been much easier since I discovered that all the Slayer really wants is a sandwich ...
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Aerie: Oh, fine. Everybody seems determined to make fun of me. I’ll stand back here thank you.

OR

(CHARNAME): Aerie’s right, Imoen. It’s a very serious subject.
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Imoen: Well, excuse me (LORD or LADY) Serious Pants. I’ll just trot on down to the end of the line, then, and wait for my head to explode. Sheesh.

This post has been edited by lroumen: Aug 1 2007, 07:39 AM

[Magnus_025]

It seems that I was mistaken then. Thanks for finding it Irumen!

[lroumen]

Well, you weren't completely mistaken there

[Sikret]

The changes I have so far applied (in addition to the banter with Keldorn mentioned above) are these. If I have missed anything, I'll appreciate if you send a reminder:

1- Protagonist says to Fate Spirit in Pocket plane:

Previously: Bring me Imoen, the thief/mage.

New: Bring me Imoen, the sorceress.

2- Cernd to Imoen:

Previously: You're more intelligent than that, Imoen. Did you become a thief by accident, discovering your hand in someone's pocket one day?

New: You're more intelligent than that, Imoen. Did you become a sorceress by accident, discovering that you can cast arcane spells without needing a spell book one day?

3- Imoen to Cernd:

Previously: Actually, yes. I was eight years old and Winthrop had this big gold chain hanging out of the back pocket of his robes all day, staring me in the face. I just couldn't help myself.

New: Actually, yes; though I can't exactly remember when and how it happened first.

4- Imoen to protagonist:

Previously: Gorion was like a father, but I preferred old Winthrop. He was the innkeep, and he taught me about keeping out of sight and such.

New: Gorion was like a father, no less was the old Winthrop. He was the innkeep.

5- Imoen to Volo:

Previously: Ooo, an archmage! I like the sound of that! But you forgot beautiful. All of the sorceresses in Winthrop's books were beautiful and terrible. Watch, see? See how I flip my hair and glare at you... don't I look evil?

New: Ooo, an archmage! I like the sound of that! But you forgot to say 'wise'. All of the sorceresses in Winthrop's books were wise and terrible.

The last one is due to the fact that I have re-distributed Imoen's attributes for better performance when casting wish spell (moved some points of Charisma to Wisdom).

[luan]

4-Imoen to Protagonist
Just an idea:

Previously: Gorion was like a father, but I preferred old Winthrop. He was the innkeep, and he taught me about keeping out of sight and such.

New: Gorion was like a father, no less was the old Winthrop. He was the innkeep, and he taught me to use my wits and such.

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5- Imoen to Volo:

The last one is due to the fact that I have re-distributed Imoen's attributes for better performance when casting wish spell (moved some points of Charisma to Wisdom).

I understand the logic, but perhaps Imoen should still glare at Volo!

Previously: Ooo, an archmage! I like the sound of that! But you forgot beautiful. All of the sorceresses in Winthrop's books were beautiful and terrible. Watch, see? See how I flip my hair and glare at you... don't I look evil?

New: Ooo, an archmage! I like the sound of that! But you forgot to say 'wise'. All of the sorceresses in Winthrop's books were wise and terrible. Watch, see? See how I scheme and glare at you... don't I look evil?

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I think the original line really captures her character! Plus I always thought Imoen to be quite the schemer (in a good-hearted fun way of course).

This post has been edited by luan: Aug 1 2007, 02:03 PM

[Sikret]

Thank you, luan!

As you suggested, I'll add "Watch, see? See how I scheme and glare at you... don't I look evil?" to the end of it. Good suggestion!

EDIT: I was posting when you edited your post. The other suggestion is very good too. I will use it.

This post has been edited by Sikret: Aug 1 2007, 02:12 PM

[lroumen]

no less was the old Winthrop

"the" is redundant in this sentence. You can simply remove it making the text:

no less was old Winthrop

I think nr 5 does not necessarily have to be adjusted. Wise vs Beautiful as well. An ugly Imoen can still tell Volo that in all the stories all sorceresses are beautiful and therefore Imoen should be mentioned as being beautiful as well. I think that might even make more sense too.
Besides, it kind of depends on how many points you shuffled. She began with 11 Wisdom and 16 Charisma. Can I ask what the new distribution would be? Anyway, a charisma of 10-12 is normal and if she still has a charisma of 13+, we can still be interpret that in the sense that she is at least beautiful above average or at least attractive above average.

[Sikret]

Thanks for the grammatical point about the redundant "the". I'll fix it.

The new charisma is 9! (unless you want me to keep her beautiful but less efficient with wish spell)

And I couldn't spend her intelligence to increase her wisdom, because I have already exchanged her intelligence with her strength. In short, I have made her a most efficient sorcerer for IA's battles (wis=18 & str=17). With the new strength she has THAC0 and damage bonus if she decides to take one of those mighty staves (which are usable only by single-class mages) and to get into battle with golems.

This post has been edited by Sikret: Aug 1 2007, 03:02 PM

[luan]

I don't view charisma so much as only personal appearance. I see it more as ability to lead, charm, personal radiance, etc. Besides, Imoen's portrait is already there, and it's not an ugly Imoen

Some justification for a lower charisma score could be that she's not necessarily someone you would leave in charge. And most of the time it is difficult to take her seriously!

This post has been edited by luan: Aug 1 2007, 03:00 PM