Old One fight using cheese and exploit, Topic split from the Journal of 4 mages... Options

[Krell]

Well, that party composition doesn't seem like a weak one or anything, it could probably even manage to run a successful Ironman insane no-reload. A Necro + 2 Riskbreakers by themselves are a force big enough to defeat any foe. For example an in-game NPC party (no pre-generated characters except for PC) would have one hell of a tough time in an Ironman insane run.

As for protection vs Imprisonment, carefully timing your Mass Invisibility casting with all your mages (and I think they all should have it, sorceress included) will protect your two Riskbreakers by making them invisible right after enemy's True Sight kicks in for the current round.

But it's an impressive run nonetheless, despite reloading and all, good job.

EDIT: As a side note, I just read the article on the 'Story of the Old One' battle. And despite the tactic seems sound, there is a much better and easier way to win that fight, even without relying on the Old One at all. Surely, he will steal a kill or even two with his Improved Disrupt Undead, but even if he wasn't there, a solo Necro can still defeat the3 Grave Liches in 100 out of 100 attempts. 19 out of 20 is too risky for an Ironman run IMHO.

This post has been edited by Krell: Apr 23 2013, 03:03 PM

[nicoper]

@Krell
Ok, let's wait for that, I confess that (since WISH does not work) I cannot understand how a Necro can kill more than one grave lich alone here (be it a 36th lvl Necro), asked about it I would claim it is not possible without heavy blatant cheese (My argument would be how does your Necro and summons inflict enough damages?)

PS: can you PM me the links of the video you spoke earlier to Sikret? (I won't post it of course, even if it is a lvl 36 Necro, I would like to see it)

[Krell]

@Krell
Ok, let's wait for that, I confess that (since WISH does not work) I cannot understand how a Necro can kill more than one grave lich alone here (be it a 36th lvl Necro), asked about it I would claim it is not possible without heavy blatant cheese (My argument would be how does your Necro and summons inflict enough damages?)

PS: can you PM me the links of the video you spoke earlier to Sikret? (I won't post it of course, even if it is a lvl 36 Necro, I would like to see it)

No problem, but I still have to make one Will take some time, just be patient.

By the way, I don't suppose that if the Old One dies you'll get the rest of the Expanded Mage Stronghold quests? Never did I let him die, so I dunno. But will make maybe even a 25-th mage video of that fight, when it's 3 on 1 - all grave liches vs PC 25lvl necro, with no Old One in the way - will let them kill the Old One so that he won't mess things up.

[nicoper]

By the way, I don't suppose that if the Old One dies you'll get the rest of the Expanded Mage Stronghold quests? Never did I let him die, so I dunno. But will make maybe even a 25-th mage video of that fight, when it's 3 on 1 - all grave liches vs PC 25lvl necro, with no Old One in the way - will let them kill the Old One so that he won't mess things up.

I definitly think you should start a specific thread, this is starting to be too confusing. You change too much hypotesys too often, and all you talk about is cheesy/tricky and not at all the way mod should be played. This is designed to be done late SoA at level 20-25, at first you say do it at level 36. Old one fight is designed to be a fight where protag saves old one and now you propose to kill old one...
When I ask you some details about the fight, you answer with another change of how it was handled (Necro level 31 then 36, then killing old one,...)
You pretend to have a no-reload tactic working fine, but only things you describe with detail is how to cast spell cheesily (alacrity during old one talk) or have grave wasting a round removing/re-equipping hades, this is leading nowhere for someone trying to play the mod according to its design and even for someone trying to play it your way.

Players and newcomers reading this thread will understand nothing (all the more if they read journal).

I sincerely doubt it is possible to win the fight as you described it, but I might be wrong, will see that on the video (btw it looks more tedious to me to make a video than a record, and records of this fight I made a lot), but please do separate this from initial topic

To admin: is it possible to split all exchanges about "old one fight with chees and exploit" on a specific thread?