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Krell
post Apr 23 2013, 02:46 PM
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Well, that party composition doesn't seem like a weak one or anything, it could probably even manage to run a successful Ironman insane no-reload. A Necro + 2 Riskbreakers by themselves are a force big enough to defeat any foe. For example an in-game NPC party (no pre-generated characters except for PC) would have one hell of a tough time in an Ironman insane run.

As for protection vs Imprisonment, carefully timing your Mass Invisibility casting with all your mages (and I think they all should have it, sorceress included) will protect your two Riskbreakers by making them invisible right after enemy's True Sight kicks in for the current round.

But it's an impressive run nonetheless, despite reloading and all, good job.

EDIT: As a side note, I just read the article on the 'Story of the Old One' battle. And despite the tactic seems sound, there is a much better and easier way to win that fight, even without relying on the Old One at all. Surely, he will steal a kill or even two with his Improved Disrupt Undead, but even if he wasn't there, a solo Necro can still defeat the3 Grave Liches in 100 out of 100 attempts. 19 out of 20 is too risky for an Ironman run IMHO.

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Sikret
post Apr 24 2013, 11:25 AM
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Krell has probably played the leaked and beta copy of IA v6 some people had stolen and released on other sites. We had warned everyone that that copy of the mod is not genuine and is an incomplete beta and subject to revisions.

Besides, knowing what liches do at each step shows he had reloaded the game a few times to learn the liches' reactions to certain things. This is not a "no reload" win. Trying a battle several times to find a winning tactics (even a cheesy one) is ok, but then calling it a "no reload" win is just inaccurate (to say the least).


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Krell   Old One fight using cheese and exploit   Apr 23 2013, 02:46 PM
nicoper   As for protection vs Imprisonment, carefully timin...   Apr 23 2013, 03:34 PM
Krell   Sidenote, what is an "ironman" insane no...   Apr 23 2013, 06:00 PM
Sikret   Krell has probably played the leaked and beta copy...   Apr 24 2013, 11:25 AM
Krell   True, I haven't yet had the time to try the or...   Apr 24 2013, 11:42 AM
nicoper   nicoper , for you it's fun to play each battle...   Apr 24 2013, 12:31 PM
Krell   Let us translate this to standard English: You tr...   Apr 24 2013, 05:38 PM
Sikret   As for a successful no-reload tactic, one cannot b...   Apr 24 2013, 01:40 PM
Sikret   If you find any xp or gold exploit which still wor...   Apr 25 2013, 07:44 AM
Krell   If you find any xp or gold exploit which still wor...   Apr 25 2013, 07:59 AM
Sikret   Well, as I said, if you use exploits, your victori...   Apr 25 2013, 08:03 AM
nicoper   @krell: Hi, once again, I don't mind if you en...   Apr 25 2013, 09:20 AM
Krell   @krell: Hi, once again, I don't mind if you en...   Apr 25 2013, 10:16 AM
nicoper   You're just giving those liches too much time ...   Apr 25 2013, 11:16 AM
Sikret   The battle with Grave liches is not designed for a...   Apr 25 2013, 11:05 AM
Krell   Now I didn't say that a 20-21 lvl mage can kil...   Apr 25 2013, 11:36 AM
nicoper   @Krell Ok, let's wait for that, I confess that...   Apr 25 2013, 11:49 AM
Krell   @Krell Ok, let's wait for that, I confess that...   Apr 25 2013, 11:55 AM
nicoper   By the way, I don't suppose that if the Old On...   Apr 25 2013, 12:47 PM
Krell   No problem, I don't mind even if my posts are ...   Apr 25 2013, 01:07 PM
Sikret   I will reward one Tactical Reputation point to the...   Apr 25 2013, 03:20 PM
Krell   @nicoper: I am currently uploading a video in whi...   Apr 25 2013, 05:46 PM
Sikret   After installing the original version of IA v6 you...   Apr 25 2013, 05:54 PM
Krell   Got it, will do. Then I am afraid nicoper would ha...   Apr 25 2013, 06:01 PM
nicoper   @krell: I will wait as long as needed to see the v...   Apr 25 2013, 06:36 PM
Sikret   No need to add other exploit or cheese to the ones...   Apr 25 2013, 07:38 PM
critto   You will probably miss out on some content, such a...   Apr 25 2013, 06:29 PM
Krell   Hm, I have my own thoughts about playing the game ...   Apr 25 2013, 09:32 PM
Krell   There is a video of 2 parts which I uploaded on Yo...   Apr 27 2013, 08:20 AM
Hideous the Wu Jen   Here's my 2 cents about anyone claiming to go ...   May 1 2013, 02:29 AM
lambada   Nicoper Dont't bother with Krell, Saros actua...   May 1 2013, 08:39 AM
nicoper   @Hideous Same here, I say no-reload is BS because ...   May 1 2013, 09:43 AM
Krell   @lambada: Not absolutely correct. Actually, there ...   May 1 2013, 10:16 AM
Sikret   I agree with Lambada, Hideous and Nicoper. I let h...   May 1 2013, 11:58 AM


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