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Baronius
post Feb 17 2009, 10:04 PM
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QUOTE(Daulmakan @ Feb 17 2009, 07:14 PM) *
I understand what he's saying. I was surprised by it too, the first time I fought him. You're expecting a powerful mage, not a physical powerhouse, and yet none of your fighters can deal any serious damage.

I have never understood this type of approach. Why can't a powerful mage have very powerful "physical" resistances via her powerful magic and knowledge? Should every wizard be protected by 9 golems so no one can reach her? Because without resistances, wizards could be killed very easily, considering their low natural hit points and physical defense.


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Jab
post Jul 18 2009, 12:10 AM
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Hey,

Thank you for your advice. But as I said I tried 7x Abi-Dalzim's Horrid Wilting with no effect (in one fight, but I tried it multiple times). Perhaps I was just really unlucky or I don't know. Still it was a powerful magic "blow" with no results. And that is not good. I didn't try the harm spell (but i guess i have it). Btw is it possible, that magic resistance and resistance to magic damage were "cooperating" (while playing monk I had that impresion, that they did), so that I had to pass through both of them?

Again, it's not an issue. I already killed him with the "long tactic". But I really think, that there should be a warning in readme (how hard the Ustrain component is). Just because there are some players (me), who are really not enjoying finding the right tactic. ;-)

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post Jul 18 2009, 03:48 PM
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QUOTE(Jab @ Jul 18 2009, 01:10 AM) *
Btw is it possible, that magic resistance and resistance to magic damage were "cooperating" (while playing monk I had that impresion, that they did), so that I had to pass through both of them?


Magic Resistance and resistance to magic damage work differently. Magic Resistance is a flat chance of a spell failing to suceed. There is not an in-between, the spell either gets through the magic resistance (and has its full effect) or doesn't.

Resistance to magic damage represents the fraction of magic damage that the creature will ignore. Every single effect that deals magic damage will be affected by this resistance, so if a creature is hit by a Magic Missile that would normally deal 4 damage and it has 50% resistance to magic damage then it will only take 2.

So, to some extent, the resistances *do* cooperate, but it doesn't work by adding the two numbers together or anything like that, if you see what I mean.

You said that you cast 7 ADHW spells with no effect. Perhaps part of the problem was that you had three in a Chain Contingency. Chain Contingencies aren't fully reliable at unleashing their spells properly - sometimes you just get two working rather than all three.
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Baronius   Powerful mage and game rules   Feb 17 2009, 10:04 PM
Valiant   Yep, Baronius got a point here...:)   Feb 17 2009, 11:20 PM
Ardanis   Can't; should; could. That comes from very old...   Feb 17 2009, 11:29 PM
Sikret   Ustrain is a Githyanki Fighter/mage (and a nonstan...   Feb 17 2009, 11:39 PM
Baronius   Exactly. I never understand it when modders (not j...   Feb 18 2009, 01:42 AM
Daulmakan   You list artificial reasons, based on certain assu...   Feb 18 2009, 04:27 AM
Ardanis   That's where the problem often lies - it doesn...   Feb 18 2009, 06:51 AM
Baronius   Indeed, it has its risk, but that is one of the f...   Feb 18 2009, 09:50 AM
DavidW   Actually, don't underestimate how useful keepi...   Feb 18 2009, 11:31 AM
Sikret   Any D&D rule-set gives plenty of freedom to th...   Feb 18 2009, 12:27 PM
Baronius   There is no such thing as forcing to be creative....   Feb 18 2009, 08:43 PM
DavidW   There is no such thing as forcing to be creative....   Feb 19 2009, 07:57 AM
Jarno Mikkola   The last few years of experience have convinced me...   Feb 20 2009, 08:54 AM
matti   Heh, Ustrain's resistances doesn't bother ...   Mar 2 2009, 09:51 AM
Sikret   Heh, Ustrain's resistances doesn't bother ...   Mar 2 2009, 12:53 PM
Valiant   Well guys, to sumarize this, no changes will be do...   Mar 4 2009, 12:36 PM
Bress   Hi, I just played through Tower of Deception (vers...   Mar 31 2009, 02:24 AM
Bress   Sorry, just wanted to add, I was hoping that at th...   Mar 31 2009, 02:44 AM
Valiant   Hi Bress :) Thank you for your feedback. I´m gla...   Apr 1 2009, 07:49 AM
Jab   Great mod! Perfect intro, graphic etc. Perhaps...   Jul 17 2009, 12:43 PM
Sikret   With this approach, all of the bone golems, magic ...   Jul 17 2009, 08:30 PM
Jab   Sikret: Trying to remove his magic resistances is ...   Jul 17 2009, 09:04 PM
Sikret   Ustrain has only 50% resistance to magic damage. H...   Jul 17 2009, 09:16 PM
Jab   Hey, Thank you for your advice. But as I said I t...   Jul 18 2009, 12:10 AM
Raven   Btw is it possible, that magic resistance and resi...   Jul 18 2009, 03:48 PM
Jab   So, to some extent, the resistances *do* cooperate...   Jul 18 2009, 03:54 PM
that guy with hair   I just finished the initially tough battle against...   Jul 29 2009, 02:47 PM
Valiant   Quest about the book will be added in the future. ...   Aug 2 2009, 12:45 PM
ClefairyTorii   First off I want to say amazing job with the mod. ...   Aug 30 2009, 09:00 AM


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