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Baronius
post Feb 17 2009, 10:04 PM
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I understand what he's saying. I was surprised by it too, the first time I fought him. You're expecting a powerful mage, not a physical powerhouse, and yet none of your fighters can deal any serious damage.

I have never understood this type of approach. Why can't a powerful mage have very powerful "physical" resistances via her powerful magic and knowledge? Should every wizard be protected by 9 golems so no one can reach her? Because without resistances, wizards could be killed very easily, considering their low natural hit points and physical defense.


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post Jul 17 2009, 09:16 PM
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Ustrain has only 50% resistance to magic damage. His magic resistance is also not more than 60%. It's true that he is immune to lower magic resistance, but the 60% MR is not that high even if you can't lower it. Harm spell is your friend in this battle. As soon as it bypasses his MR, Ustrain is dead meat. This is an example of finding the right tactics.

Even if you don't have access to "Harm" spell, there are many other spells which inflict magic damage and using those spells correctly will lead to victory without any problems. With his 60% magic resistance, almost half of your spells will affect him and since he doesn't have more than 50% resistance to magic damage, he will take a lot of damage if you know which spells to use. I didn't want to spoil the fun of finding the right tactics to you, but you insisted on your point ...

As I said, there are many creatures even in the vanilla game and core AD&D with similar (and even more) immunties. Immunty to Lower magic resistance exists even in the core AD&D and vanilla BG2 for some creatures; so, I don't understand why you are so surprised with it. You don't even need to lower his magic resistance to win the battle. Physical attack is not the right approach in this battle either. Just cast spells which inflict magic damage (Harm, ADHW, etc). It's true that trying to remove an opponent's magic resistance is a "tactical" decision, but it's only one of the many tactical choices you have. When one tactical option doesn't work, you should try to find other tactics.


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Baronius   Powerful mage and game rules   Feb 17 2009, 10:04 PM
Valiant   Yep, Baronius got a point here...:)   Feb 17 2009, 11:20 PM
Ardanis   Can't; should; could. That comes from very old...   Feb 17 2009, 11:29 PM
Sikret   Ustrain is a Githyanki Fighter/mage (and a nonstan...   Feb 17 2009, 11:39 PM
Baronius   Exactly. I never understand it when modders (not j...   Feb 18 2009, 01:42 AM
Daulmakan   You list artificial reasons, based on certain assu...   Feb 18 2009, 04:27 AM
Ardanis   That's where the problem often lies - it doesn...   Feb 18 2009, 06:51 AM
Baronius   Indeed, it has its risk, but that is one of the f...   Feb 18 2009, 09:50 AM
DavidW   Actually, don't underestimate how useful keepi...   Feb 18 2009, 11:31 AM
Sikret   Any D&D rule-set gives plenty of freedom to th...   Feb 18 2009, 12:27 PM
Baronius   There is no such thing as forcing to be creative....   Feb 18 2009, 08:43 PM
DavidW   There is no such thing as forcing to be creative....   Feb 19 2009, 07:57 AM
Jarno Mikkola   The last few years of experience have convinced me...   Feb 20 2009, 08:54 AM
matti   Heh, Ustrain's resistances doesn't bother ...   Mar 2 2009, 09:51 AM
Sikret   Heh, Ustrain's resistances doesn't bother ...   Mar 2 2009, 12:53 PM
Valiant   Well guys, to sumarize this, no changes will be do...   Mar 4 2009, 12:36 PM
Bress   Hi, I just played through Tower of Deception (vers...   Mar 31 2009, 02:24 AM
Bress   Sorry, just wanted to add, I was hoping that at th...   Mar 31 2009, 02:44 AM
Valiant   Hi Bress :) Thank you for your feedback. I´m gla...   Apr 1 2009, 07:49 AM
Jab   Great mod! Perfect intro, graphic etc. Perhaps...   Jul 17 2009, 12:43 PM
Sikret   With this approach, all of the bone golems, magic ...   Jul 17 2009, 08:30 PM
Jab   Sikret: Trying to remove his magic resistances is ...   Jul 17 2009, 09:04 PM
Sikret   Ustrain has only 50% resistance to magic damage. H...   Jul 17 2009, 09:16 PM
Jab   Hey, Thank you for your advice. But as I said I t...   Jul 18 2009, 12:10 AM
Raven   Btw is it possible, that magic resistance and resi...   Jul 18 2009, 03:48 PM
Jab   So, to some extent, the resistances *do* cooperate...   Jul 18 2009, 03:54 PM
that guy with hair   I just finished the initially tough battle against...   Jul 29 2009, 02:47 PM
Valiant   Quest about the book will be added in the future. ...   Aug 2 2009, 12:45 PM
ClefairyTorii   First off I want to say amazing job with the mod. ...   Aug 30 2009, 09:00 AM


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