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Baronius
post Mar 17 2008, 10:47 PM
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The bug was known for v15 already. Wouldn't it be easier to fix it in UB itself?

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DavidW
post Aug 30 2008, 08:21 PM
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Okay, so two quick points:

1) I think it would be silly for anyone to suggest that this site doesn't host good mods (and I hope no-one is making that suggestion). Grey Clan and Tower of Deception are, by common consent, excellent. Improved Anvil has a huge fan base who regard it as having transformed their BG2 experience. NEJ and TS I hear less of, but many people swear by them. Personally I've never played any of them - ToD and TGC are my kind of mod and I'll doubtless play them soon; the others, less so - but I think the evidence from player reports is pretty conclusive. Personally, I participate in these debates partly out of intellectual interest but largely because I think the people concerned have earned the right to be taken seriously. That in turn is largely because they've produced stable, serious, professional mods. Kudos.

2) Since (for my sins) I'm currently involved in moderating G3, I feel some need to respond to comments on it. I do think that those who think there's a double standard are (innocently) mistaken. There isn't, as it happens, a "SCS sucks" thread, but if there was, no-one would close it down. There are, I think, a couple of "fixpack sucks" threads from a while back; there's been at least one "G3 sucks" thread that I can think of, I hope that it's the case that things get dealt with even-handedly and with a very light touch. Example: I split that IA thread because I thought the random anti-BWL vitriol had no place on a thread in "mod discussion" which purportedly was about what people think about IA. The split thread now lives in G3's "random discussion" section, where people are welcome to say what they like within (very broadly construed) reason. The original thread contains some pretty harsh criticism about IA, but hopefully it's still on topic.
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Baronius   UB bug still present in v16   Mar 17 2008, 10:47 PM
kulyok   Naturally, and I do wish it were fixed, as well as...   Mar 18 2008, 07:46 AM
Sikret   Naturally, and I do wish it were fixed, as well as...   Mar 19 2008, 08:20 AM
Jab   UB and QP have been severely bugged for years. The...   Mar 19 2008, 04:26 PM
Moongaze   I agree about stability. ....and likely writing i...   Mar 19 2008, 08:29 AM
Sikret   "Stability" is not the only criterion, b...   Mar 19 2008, 09:54 AM
Sikret   @Jab It's funny that you quoted a paragraph w...   Mar 19 2008, 04:56 PM
Jab   Misreading my name for Vlad's is the simplest ...   Mar 19 2008, 05:16 PM
Sikret   No flamewar is in progress in this thread; it...   Mar 19 2008, 06:58 PM
Jab   No flamewar is in progress in this thread; it...   Mar 19 2008, 07:20 PM
Sikret   No flamewar is in progress in this thread; it...   Mar 19 2008, 08:08 PM
Baronius   1) Some people consider this as a competition (or ...   Mar 19 2008, 08:58 PM
The Bigg   I was going to post about how backwards compatibil...   Mar 19 2008, 09:14 PM
Baronius   Accidents and problems always happen, but: 1) It ...   Mar 19 2008, 09:48 PM
DavidW   I'm deeply reluctant (as a newish observer of ...   Mar 20 2008, 02:07 AM
Valiant   Exaggerating you say? Well, not at all. I believe ...   Mar 20 2008, 08:44 AM
Baronius   First of all, it's important to note that the ...   Mar 20 2008, 09:01 PM
SimDing0   The is pretty good work, guys. You're actually...   Mar 22 2008, 01:08 PM
Valiant   The is pretty good work, guys. You're actually...   Mar 22 2008, 01:37 PM
SimDing0   Because this is all daft and I don't care?   Mar 22 2008, 01:50 PM
Valiant   If you don´t care and all is daft, then just simp...   Mar 22 2008, 01:53 PM
SimDing0   Expressing my contempt for the proceedings is a pe...   Mar 22 2008, 01:57 PM
Valiant   If you say so...   Mar 22 2008, 02:01 PM
DavidW   Replying rather late (I've been away). I'm...   Mar 25 2008, 01:05 PM
Sikret   UB has many other serious bugs even if we put asid...   Mar 25 2008, 02:50 PM
Baronius   They are interrelated to a certain extent (depende...   Mar 25 2008, 02:51 PM
DavidW   Almost forgot: It's a specific case, indeed. ...   Mar 25 2008, 03:50 PM
DavidW   Okay, so I seriously don't want to get into di...   Mar 25 2008, 03:47 PM
Baronius   Then the coupling of SCS2 is stronger than I thoug...   Mar 25 2008, 04:06 PM
plainab   I recently came across this issue as I was working...   Aug 27 2008, 11:23 PM
Baronius   Nice solution, plainab. :thumb: It's "int...   Aug 28 2008, 02:51 AM
plainab   He likes the code and that makes me happy. :D ...   Aug 28 2008, 08:02 AM
Baronius   @plainab: This is exactly why I gave up any attem...   Aug 28 2008, 05:05 PM
Sir_Carnifex   I haven't said anything in these fixpack, etc....   Aug 28 2008, 05:39 PM
Sikret   the G3FP developers have defined a new way of tria...   Aug 28 2008, 10:21 PM
DavidW   the G3FP developers have defined a new way of tria...   Aug 28 2008, 10:33 PM
plainab   I need to calm down. 10...9...8...7...6...5...4.....   Aug 28 2008, 10:06 PM
Sikret   The fact that the developers of BG2 fixpack don...   Aug 28 2008, 10:47 PM
DavidW   And the last point: if you are ready to object aga...   Aug 28 2008, 10:57 PM
Baronius   DavidW, I'm sure Sikret has even less hope tha...   Aug 28 2008, 11:18 PM
Ancalagon_UK   Theres something I still dont get though, Baronius...   Aug 29 2008, 09:53 AM
Sikret   Theres something I still dont get though, Baronius...   Aug 29 2008, 10:24 AM
Ancalagon_UK   Ba ha ha ha ha! Yes, you are attacking it. You...   Aug 29 2008, 10:40 AM
Sikret   Actually no, players who use free mods have no rig...   Aug 29 2008, 11:16 AM
Baronius   Ancalagon_UK, I would suggest to you to study the ...   Aug 29 2008, 10:44 AM
DavidW   3. They blackmail mod developers to use the G3 Fix...   Aug 29 2008, 11:20 AM
The Bigg   proper testing IS possible, if they allocate time ...   Aug 29 2008, 11:57 AM
Ancalagon_UK   hey I'm a professional software developer wi...   Aug 29 2008, 11:19 AM
Baronius   They're still manipulating, and the practice h...   Aug 29 2008, 11:38 AM
DavidW   Is this partly the issue? I don't and didn...   Aug 29 2008, 11:45 AM
Baronius   Well, I do. They have succeeded to advertise it e...   Aug 29 2008, 11:55 AM
DavidW   Well, I do. Okay, so since I don't really ...   Aug 29 2008, 12:06 PM
Baronius   As I've said, it's a question of definiti...   Aug 29 2008, 12:06 PM
coaster   A player's perspective - I am not even going t...   Aug 29 2008, 01:08 PM
Jarno Mikkola   At its current status, the Bg2 fixpack is best be ...   Aug 29 2008, 01:50 PM
Sikret   At its current status, the Bg2 fixpack is best be ...   Aug 30 2008, 10:33 PM
DavidW   2- Hidden bugs, which will come to surface and sho...   Aug 30 2008, 10:40 PM
Sikret   So I'm wondering what would make something a ...   Aug 30 2008, 10:51 PM
DavidW   So I'm wondering what would make something a ...   Aug 30 2008, 11:00 PM
Jarno Mikkola   No, even if you install it alone, it will add lots...   Sep 1 2008, 11:25 AM
Sikret   Like what? If we are talking about the key items t...   Sep 1 2008, 02:30 PM
Lorph Halys   See my edit to this post for the reason I'm no...   Sep 1 2008, 02:51 PM
Baronius   If this has been your impression, then I must have...   Aug 29 2008, 04:32 PM
Sir_Carnifex   Even if you are right, if you resort to posting li...   Aug 29 2008, 05:18 PM
The Bigg   This from a person who actively participates in th...   Aug 29 2008, 05:26 PM
Sir_Carnifex   Under the name Proteus_Za or something like that. ...   Aug 29 2008, 05:35 PM
The Bigg   Shows how much attention I have for details (and t...   Aug 29 2008, 05:37 PM
Ardanis   I could just sign under this statement. I wonder ...   Aug 29 2008, 09:15 PM
Sir_Carnifex   I wonder if anyone posting there is actually being...   Aug 29 2008, 11:22 PM
Baronius   The anonymity of the internet and the lack of need...   Aug 30 2008, 12:34 AM
DavidW   It usually reflects a weak character, a weak perso...   Aug 30 2008, 10:17 AM
Ardanis   I was as serious as possible about blackmailing. I...   Aug 30 2008, 01:28 AM
Baronius   I suspect it's also about different forum po...   Aug 30 2008, 02:25 PM
Lorph Halys   Having at least made an attempt to read your enorm...   Aug 30 2008, 05:04 PM
Baronius   They indeed consider it a big popularity contest, ...   Aug 30 2008, 05:37 PM
Lorph Halys   On the other hand, we've never cared if many p...   Aug 30 2008, 06:23 PM
Baronius   Two different things. As everyone else, I believe...   Aug 30 2008, 06:46 PM
Lorph Halys   And I still believe you're strongly influenced...   Aug 30 2008, 07:06 PM
Jab   These threads are just hatcheries for trolls. Give...   Aug 30 2008, 06:50 PM
Baronius   Thanks Jab, I'm not trying to convince G3 FP d...   Aug 30 2008, 06:52 PM
Sir_Carnifex   But it takes fire and acid to kill them. So... :)   Aug 30 2008, 06:54 PM
Baronius   @Jab: I hope that's some fine Czech beer in yo...   Aug 30 2008, 06:59 PM
Jab   Baronius: I must say, that I don't consider ot...   Aug 30 2008, 07:07 PM
Baronius   True. Sometimes one unintentionally generalizes i...   Aug 30 2008, 07:15 PM
DavidW   Okay, so two quick points: 1) I think it would be...   Aug 30 2008, 08:21 PM
Baronius   As I've emphasized earlier, it's a matter ...   Aug 30 2008, 11:12 PM
DavidW   Well, to be fair, it's my terminology to call ...   Aug 30 2008, 11:22 PM
Ardanis   BTW, this indeed might have something to do with h...   Aug 30 2008, 11:45 PM
Baronius   You don't need to thank anything, but I'm ...   Aug 30 2008, 11:47 PM
DavidW   I know I've quoted it already, but I like it s...   Aug 31 2008, 10:36 AM
Baronius   I forgot to emphasize that I was interpreting your...   Aug 31 2008, 11:46 AM
DavidW   I agree that discussing definitions can get tireso...   Aug 31 2008, 11:29 PM
Baronius   For Sikret and me, it doesn't. There is no ne...   Sep 1 2008, 12:37 AM
plainab   This is true. However, may I bring up something t...   Sep 1 2008, 05:25 AM
The Bigg   I think it's pretty poor of a program's de...   Sep 1 2008, 10:30 AM
DavidW   To avoid getting enmeshed in a philosophy-of-langu...   Sep 1 2008, 09:25 AM
coaster   Unfortunately there are a few bugs outstanding in ...   Sep 1 2008, 01:50 PM
The Bigg   TBH I wonder whether the "suck it and see...   Sep 1 2008, 02:00 PM
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