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Baronius
post Mar 17 2008, 10:47 PM
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The bug was known for v15 already. Wouldn't it be easier to fix it in UB itself?

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Baronius
post Aug 30 2008, 06:46 PM
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You're lying. If you actually didn't care then none of this would matter. You wouldn't care that people were "spreading lies" and discouraging people from playing your mods. After all, that would only result in fewer people playing your mods, which you claim not to care about.
Two different things.

As everyone else, I believe we do have the right to reject lies that are related to our work.

As anyone else, I believe I have right to detail my viewpoint if I believe that certain groups cause much harm to the IE modding community.

This is about principles, not popularity.

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Therefore, you obviously do care on some level. You want people to download and play your mods just like anyone else.

Since we have no commercial interest in this (I wonder if the developers of G3 FP have), it doesn't matter how many players play the mods. Sure, each mod developer is glad to read compliments and feedback on his or her forum or in his email inbox, but that doesn't mean there should be a competition.

And I still believe you're strongly influenced by their propaganda -- sorry if it's a problem for you, but your words reflect that many of your statements aren't based on your own judgement, research or knowledge. For example, how can you guess what is realistic regarding BWL mods if you've never played them. How can you asume that "nobody likes us"...? Just because there is a thread at G3 where some bored people (and those who need attention to feel important) tell some bad things? You aren't really familiar with the discussion at all. It's not about whether anyone 'likes us' or not (On a side note, though it doesn't belong to the subject of this topic, I believe several BWL mods are liked by several players -- so again, you're just repeating what you read on other forums, I suppose.)


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post Aug 30 2008, 07:06 PM
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QUOTE(Baronius @ Aug 30 2008, 07:46 PM) *
And I still believe you're strongly influenced by their propaganda, sorry.

I believe that you are simply spreading lies to denounce Gibberlings 3 because one of the moderators stole your wife and you're bitter about it.

Look! I can make baseless accusations too!


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sorry if it's a problem for you, but your words reflect that many of your statements aren't based on your judgement, research or knowledge. For example, how can you guess what is realistic regarding BWL mods if you've never played them.
I beg your pardon?

Again, I never made any attacks whatsoever on the quality of the mods here. All I said was that perhaps they just aren't very good and maybe that's why they have a poor reputation and generally don't seem to be popular, rather than it being because G3 are secretly the Illuminati and are running some insidious scheme to condition people into thinking that they aren't very good, and I suggested that you should consider that possibility before you accuse everyone else of being at fault.

The fact that you just assume that anyone who disagrees with you is a propaganda victim (rather than someone who, I don't know, has reached their own conclusions and has a genuine reason to argue against what you say) reeks of arrogance, and the fact that you then accuse other people of arrogance makes you a hypocrite into the bargain. If you're so damned humble then how come you refuse to consider the possibility that you're the one in the wrong?

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How can you say that "nobody like us"


I was speaking metaphorically. Let's be honest, though; even if I hadn't been, it doesn't take a genius to realise that you aren't exactly well-liked in the community, (if you were then why would people be spreading all these "lies" you keep talking about?) and I'm not just talking about some thread over at G3.

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(On a side note, though it doesn't belong to the subject of this topic, I believe several BWL mods are liked by several players -- so again, you're just repeating what you read on other forums, I suppose.)


I believe that you are missing the point.
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Baronius   UB bug still present in v16   Mar 17 2008, 10:47 PM
kulyok   Naturally, and I do wish it were fixed, as well as...   Mar 18 2008, 07:46 AM
Sikret   Naturally, and I do wish it were fixed, as well as...   Mar 19 2008, 08:20 AM
Jab   UB and QP have been severely bugged for years. The...   Mar 19 2008, 04:26 PM
Moongaze   I agree about stability. ....and likely writing i...   Mar 19 2008, 08:29 AM
Sikret   "Stability" is not the only criterion, b...   Mar 19 2008, 09:54 AM
Sikret   @Jab It's funny that you quoted a paragraph w...   Mar 19 2008, 04:56 PM
Jab   Misreading my name for Vlad's is the simplest ...   Mar 19 2008, 05:16 PM
Sikret   No flamewar is in progress in this thread; it...   Mar 19 2008, 06:58 PM
Jab   No flamewar is in progress in this thread; it...   Mar 19 2008, 07:20 PM
Sikret   No flamewar is in progress in this thread; it...   Mar 19 2008, 08:08 PM
Baronius   1) Some people consider this as a competition (or ...   Mar 19 2008, 08:58 PM
The Bigg   I was going to post about how backwards compatibil...   Mar 19 2008, 09:14 PM
Baronius   Accidents and problems always happen, but: 1) It ...   Mar 19 2008, 09:48 PM
DavidW   I'm deeply reluctant (as a newish observer of ...   Mar 20 2008, 02:07 AM
Valiant   Exaggerating you say? Well, not at all. I believe ...   Mar 20 2008, 08:44 AM
Baronius   First of all, it's important to note that the ...   Mar 20 2008, 09:01 PM
SimDing0   The is pretty good work, guys. You're actually...   Mar 22 2008, 01:08 PM
Valiant   The is pretty good work, guys. You're actually...   Mar 22 2008, 01:37 PM
SimDing0   Because this is all daft and I don't care?   Mar 22 2008, 01:50 PM
Valiant   If you don´t care and all is daft, then just simp...   Mar 22 2008, 01:53 PM
SimDing0   Expressing my contempt for the proceedings is a pe...   Mar 22 2008, 01:57 PM
Valiant   If you say so...   Mar 22 2008, 02:01 PM
DavidW   Replying rather late (I've been away). I'm...   Mar 25 2008, 01:05 PM
Sikret   UB has many other serious bugs even if we put asid...   Mar 25 2008, 02:50 PM
Baronius   They are interrelated to a certain extent (depende...   Mar 25 2008, 02:51 PM
DavidW   Almost forgot: It's a specific case, indeed. ...   Mar 25 2008, 03:50 PM
DavidW   Okay, so I seriously don't want to get into di...   Mar 25 2008, 03:47 PM
Baronius   Then the coupling of SCS2 is stronger than I thoug...   Mar 25 2008, 04:06 PM
plainab   I recently came across this issue as I was working...   Aug 27 2008, 11:23 PM
Baronius   Nice solution, plainab. :thumb: It's "int...   Aug 28 2008, 02:51 AM
plainab   He likes the code and that makes me happy. :D ...   Aug 28 2008, 08:02 AM
Baronius   @plainab: This is exactly why I gave up any attem...   Aug 28 2008, 05:05 PM
Sir_Carnifex   I haven't said anything in these fixpack, etc....   Aug 28 2008, 05:39 PM
Sikret   the G3FP developers have defined a new way of tria...   Aug 28 2008, 10:21 PM
DavidW   the G3FP developers have defined a new way of tria...   Aug 28 2008, 10:33 PM
plainab   I need to calm down. 10...9...8...7...6...5...4.....   Aug 28 2008, 10:06 PM
Sikret   The fact that the developers of BG2 fixpack don...   Aug 28 2008, 10:47 PM
DavidW   And the last point: if you are ready to object aga...   Aug 28 2008, 10:57 PM
Baronius   DavidW, I'm sure Sikret has even less hope tha...   Aug 28 2008, 11:18 PM
Ancalagon_UK   Theres something I still dont get though, Baronius...   Aug 29 2008, 09:53 AM
Sikret   Theres something I still dont get though, Baronius...   Aug 29 2008, 10:24 AM
Ancalagon_UK   Ba ha ha ha ha! Yes, you are attacking it. You...   Aug 29 2008, 10:40 AM
Sikret   Actually no, players who use free mods have no rig...   Aug 29 2008, 11:16 AM
Baronius   Ancalagon_UK, I would suggest to you to study the ...   Aug 29 2008, 10:44 AM
DavidW   3. They blackmail mod developers to use the G3 Fix...   Aug 29 2008, 11:20 AM
The Bigg   proper testing IS possible, if they allocate time ...   Aug 29 2008, 11:57 AM
Ancalagon_UK   hey I'm a professional software developer wi...   Aug 29 2008, 11:19 AM
Baronius   They're still manipulating, and the practice h...   Aug 29 2008, 11:38 AM
DavidW   Is this partly the issue? I don't and didn...   Aug 29 2008, 11:45 AM
Baronius   Well, I do. They have succeeded to advertise it e...   Aug 29 2008, 11:55 AM
DavidW   Well, I do. Okay, so since I don't really ...   Aug 29 2008, 12:06 PM
Baronius   As I've said, it's a question of definiti...   Aug 29 2008, 12:06 PM
coaster   A player's perspective - I am not even going t...   Aug 29 2008, 01:08 PM
Jarno Mikkola   At its current status, the Bg2 fixpack is best be ...   Aug 29 2008, 01:50 PM
Sikret   At its current status, the Bg2 fixpack is best be ...   Aug 30 2008, 10:33 PM
DavidW   2- Hidden bugs, which will come to surface and sho...   Aug 30 2008, 10:40 PM
Sikret   So I'm wondering what would make something a ...   Aug 30 2008, 10:51 PM
DavidW   So I'm wondering what would make something a ...   Aug 30 2008, 11:00 PM
Jarno Mikkola   No, even if you install it alone, it will add lots...   Sep 1 2008, 11:25 AM
Sikret   Like what? If we are talking about the key items t...   Sep 1 2008, 02:30 PM
Lorph Halys   See my edit to this post for the reason I'm no...   Sep 1 2008, 02:51 PM
Baronius   If this has been your impression, then I must have...   Aug 29 2008, 04:32 PM
Sir_Carnifex   Even if you are right, if you resort to posting li...   Aug 29 2008, 05:18 PM
The Bigg   This from a person who actively participates in th...   Aug 29 2008, 05:26 PM
Sir_Carnifex   Under the name Proteus_Za or something like that. ...   Aug 29 2008, 05:35 PM
The Bigg   Shows how much attention I have for details (and t...   Aug 29 2008, 05:37 PM
Ardanis   I could just sign under this statement. I wonder ...   Aug 29 2008, 09:15 PM
Sir_Carnifex   I wonder if anyone posting there is actually being...   Aug 29 2008, 11:22 PM
Baronius   The anonymity of the internet and the lack of need...   Aug 30 2008, 12:34 AM
DavidW   It usually reflects a weak character, a weak perso...   Aug 30 2008, 10:17 AM
Ardanis   I was as serious as possible about blackmailing. I...   Aug 30 2008, 01:28 AM
Baronius   I suspect it's also about different forum po...   Aug 30 2008, 02:25 PM
Lorph Halys   Having at least made an attempt to read your enorm...   Aug 30 2008, 05:04 PM
Baronius   They indeed consider it a big popularity contest, ...   Aug 30 2008, 05:37 PM
Lorph Halys   On the other hand, we've never cared if many p...   Aug 30 2008, 06:23 PM
Baronius   Two different things. As everyone else, I believe...   Aug 30 2008, 06:46 PM
Lorph Halys   And I still believe you're strongly influenced...   Aug 30 2008, 07:06 PM
Jab   These threads are just hatcheries for trolls. Give...   Aug 30 2008, 06:50 PM
Baronius   Thanks Jab, I'm not trying to convince G3 FP d...   Aug 30 2008, 06:52 PM
Sir_Carnifex   But it takes fire and acid to kill them. So... :)   Aug 30 2008, 06:54 PM
Baronius   @Jab: I hope that's some fine Czech beer in yo...   Aug 30 2008, 06:59 PM
Jab   Baronius: I must say, that I don't consider ot...   Aug 30 2008, 07:07 PM
Baronius   True. Sometimes one unintentionally generalizes i...   Aug 30 2008, 07:15 PM
DavidW   Okay, so two quick points: 1) I think it would be...   Aug 30 2008, 08:21 PM
Baronius   As I've emphasized earlier, it's a matter ...   Aug 30 2008, 11:12 PM
DavidW   Well, to be fair, it's my terminology to call ...   Aug 30 2008, 11:22 PM
Ardanis   BTW, this indeed might have something to do with h...   Aug 30 2008, 11:45 PM
Baronius   You don't need to thank anything, but I'm ...   Aug 30 2008, 11:47 PM
DavidW   I know I've quoted it already, but I like it s...   Aug 31 2008, 10:36 AM
Baronius   I forgot to emphasize that I was interpreting your...   Aug 31 2008, 11:46 AM
DavidW   I agree that discussing definitions can get tireso...   Aug 31 2008, 11:29 PM
Baronius   For Sikret and me, it doesn't. There is no ne...   Sep 1 2008, 12:37 AM
plainab   This is true. However, may I bring up something t...   Sep 1 2008, 05:25 AM
The Bigg   I think it's pretty poor of a program's de...   Sep 1 2008, 10:30 AM
DavidW   To avoid getting enmeshed in a philosophy-of-langu...   Sep 1 2008, 09:25 AM
coaster   Unfortunately there are a few bugs outstanding in ...   Sep 1 2008, 01:50 PM
The Bigg   TBH I wonder whether the "suck it and see...   Sep 1 2008, 02:00 PM
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