UB bug still present in v16, [split by Baronius] Options

[Baronius]

The bug was known for v15 already. Wouldn't it be easier to fix it in UB itself?

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[Baronius]

They indeed consider it a big popularity contest, exactly. Mods that aren't compatible with theirs endanger this popularity, because players might prefer those mods to theirs. That is why it was required (and still required) to spread false information about mods such as Improved Anvil, to mislead players. There is no other reason.

On the other hand, we've never cared if many players or not many players play our mods or not. We don't care if people choose Improved Anvil or SCS2, if people choose BG1 Unfinished Business or Grey Clan Episode One, if people choose Tortured Souls or One-Day NPC mods. Show me one post where we discouraged players from using a mod without listing technical facts to prove our recommendation or advice. For us, it isn't a popularity contest. It's another matter that we do criticize those who make a popularity contest from it, start spreading lies about our mods and try to manipulate mod developers to use their own methods, and try to manipulate players as well.

For example, their propaganda perfectly worked on you:

...I can't help but wonder if you've actually considered the humbling but perhaps more realistic possibility that maybe the people here are just being silly and need to make better mods.

Better mods? What is a 'better' mod? Isn't it a question of taste? Indeed, a mod which tends to break other mods even when installed according to readme instructions can be considered as something which could be made 'better', but this is purely a technical approach. (If we examine BWL mods from a technical approach, I don't think they are more buggy than any other usual non-BWL mod; in fact, some of our mods are known as especially bug-free).

So since you're talking about 'silly people who need to make better mods', you've already become brainwashed by them; you learnt their popularity-centric approach where e.g. a "WeiDU-based mod is a better mod" and "a mod which supports G3 FP is a better mod than a mod that doesn't", instead of what the common sense would say: "A good mod for me is what I enjoy playing".

[Lorph Halys]

On the other hand, we've never cared if many players or not many players play our mods or not. We don't care if people choose Improved Anvil or SCS2, if people choose BG1 Unfinished Business or Grey Clan Episode One, if people choose Tortured Souls or One-Day NPC mods.

You're lying. If you actually didn't care then none of this would matter. You wouldn't care that people were "spreading lies" and discouraging people from playing your mods. After all, that would only result in fewer people playing your mods, which you claim not to care about.

Therefore, you obviously do care on some level. You want people to download and play your mods just like anyone else.

For example, their propaganda perfectly worked on you:

See, this is exactly what I'm talking about. Everyone who doesn't support you is either a spreader of "propaganda" or a poor, innocent victim of it who cannot think for themselves. You automatically leap to the conclusion that I've simply been "brainwashed" into a mindless proponent of WeiDU and the Gibberlings 3 Fixpack and whatnot, even though I made no mention of those whatsoever. Do me a favour and don't insult my intelligence the next time you talk to me.

First of all, there is such a thing as a "better" mod. It's not a matter of taste. A mod that I enjoy playing is just a mod that I enjoy playing, not necessarily a good mod. If I created, for example, an NPC that interrupted play every five seconds to say "I am an NPC", had no other dialogue, was useless in combat and forced you to accept him into your party if he caught sight of you, that would be a bad mod. It doesn't matter if someone out there happens to enjoy it; I've still done a terrible job that is in dire need of improvement.

Secondly, I did not accuse any of the mods here of being bad. Indeed, I've never played any of them, so I wouldn't know. What I was saying, if you'd care to stop crying "PROPAGANDA!" for a moment to listen, was that before you start coming up with wild theories to place the blame on the shoulders of everyone else, perhaps you should take a look at yourselves and realise that the opposing "side" may have a point.

Sometimes it's your own fault that nobody likes you.