UB bug still present in v16, [split by Baronius] Options

[Baronius]

The bug was known for v15 already. Wouldn't it be easier to fix it in UB itself?

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[plainab]

I need to calm down. 10...9...8...7...6...5...4...3...2...1...0

What you said about me believing that my viewpoint is better than yours is the very same way you come across in your post(s). The one I responded to and again the one following that. I never said my viewpoint was better, I tried to show that both viewpoints are valid. It depends on what approach you take. Some, like me, need order and would change a script reference to match an area file if it was within our power to do so. We are fortunate that I also like compatibility. I personally would avoid doing something orderly if I knew it would be a downfall to compatibility. I may even move my one character to a different place or leave him where he starts out. But that would just be running away from the problem and that's never good.

The main thing I wanted to get across and failed at doing so was that bickering about how things should or should not be done is wrong. We ALL need to grow up and work together.(I include me in that statement, hence the capitals) Let's not get stuck on technical issues and philosophical debates about whose approach is better and why it is better. When we get defensive we'll never agree on anything. Rome was not built in a day. It took them stone by stone with plans and cooperation, but some problems had to be overcome as they arose. It's a fact of life that we can't code for everything. We code for what we can, we code for what we know. We adjust what we need to when unforeseen problems arise.

I felt like I had to defend the designers of the BG2 Fixpack, even though I'm not part of that group. It sounded like you were ripping them a new arse simply because you didn't agree with their methods. I'm sorry, I must have misunderstood your intentions. Just as I feel you misunderstood mine. It didn't help that for me I was up late on a long day making that response. I should have waited till I was rested and had a clearer mind. I've regretted it all day. I was just waiting for the e-mail that said you'd responded, I knew you'd not like it. I was right. You did not like it.

The overall issue can't be solved overnight. It's going to take teamwork and cooperation to do that. I tried. I shared code that would help. But I was told that it wouldn't help. That there is a bigger problem to be solved. Fine, a bigger problem, let's get it resolved. Get everyone together whose had a public mod release, and make these decisions. Get the results posted at every forum so we can all follow them. Until such consensus takes place, the community will remain fractured over this, you will continue to share with everyone why we are fractured, and some of us who try to help will become discouraged by it all.

I'm a limited breed. I'm left out by many mods, because I don't have ToTSC. That's their choice. I can choose to look at it as a problem that needs to be solved by them modding for the vanilla game. But ya know, it's better if I try to save the money to buy the expansion myself. Then again, maybe I don't want it because ToTSC breaks/changes just about as much stuff as they add/correct. One of the big ones is the end of Chapter 4, the chapter change happens right when Daveron is dead in ToTSC and it has caused issues for some people. Vanilla uses floor triggers near the exits to increase the chapter. It's cleaner, nicer and no reported issues that I've seen. I've fixed it, reverted it I should say. The patching was hard, but it's been done and done in such a way that even with added mods it still works (especially those that modify that area and it's scripts). I know because the issue is present even in a non-ToTSC EasyTuTu installation, that's where it's been fixed and has had some limited testing (that's why you probably haven't heard about it yet - we won't publish until it's ready and has proven itself). From there the code was easy to modify for standard ToTSC. If that doesn't show you that I'm not quite in the same camp as the BG2 Fixpack and UB people and whomever else, I don't know what will.

You have your opinions and I can't change that. I've shared mine. I hope this post has cleared things up a bit. If it hasn't, I'm sorry. Communication has never been my strong point, at least, I'm trying to communicate and solve some of these issues that are part of the larger whole. The redwood is mighty, but a single axe can cut it down with single persistent cuts. Maybe if we work together on these little issues and get some consensus for the future, we will find the bigger problems become more manageable until they are all gone....

Like my mother always said, "Pick your room up one thing at a time. Don't look at the big mess, just do one thing at a time and before you know it, it'll be clean." Let's take that one step, get together and solve this one issue. We can then tackle the next one. I hope that those of us who are serious about modding can come to an agreeable solution if we just try.

Keep it cool...
ab