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Bereth Darkides
post Apr 11 2008, 03:36 AM
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I have rewrote this 5 times because I am non too happy with the extreme game balance problem.
Is there anyway to tone down the power and or numbers of the nuclear skeleton warriors I am facing (at 9th-10th lvl) that does not include playing outside of core rules!

HOLY FAK!

You see I really hate having to cheat.

(PS,,, Vlad what were you thinking)? ohmy.gif


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post May 29 2008, 05:31 PM
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I have been reading this thread since you first made it with something that I can only describe as a growing sense of horror and as a result feel I have to say something.

The facts are that Vlad has made a fun, enjoyable and popular modification yet you are attacking it simply because it does not directly correlate with a pen and paper rule set, something which strikes me as ridiculous. The point you continually fail to grasp is that such correlation is irrelevant, the modification does not have to use strict AD&D rules and creatures to be of high quality.

The job of the modder is to produce the most enjoyable game possible and if he is able to do so by making up his own creatures or changing the rules as layed down in some AD&D manual then who cares? Not me and certainly not most players, adherence to the AD&D canon is no virtue in itself.

Maybe you have played so much AD&D that you consider anything that offends against its canon as some sort of heresy but no one else does. If this is all so important to you and you truly belive you could do better by sticking to strict AD&D rules then theres no one stopping you, go and make your own mod as hoppy has suggested previously.

Sorry to be confrontational but the whole "I am Bereth Darkides god of AD&D and you must bow to my superior wisdom" thing is becoming just rude and boring.

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post May 29 2008, 08:40 PM
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QUOTE(Clown @ May 29 2008, 05:31 PM) *
simply because it does not directly correlate with a pen and paper rule set, something which strikes me as ridiculous


You forgot to say......"At All"! lol

Hey I never said "VLAD, you suck". In fact I have praised him above all other modders so far. The stability of his mods are the absolute best without question. But even Vlad's mod can be improved upon. What I'm saying is, I know how. It is coming as a surprise to some of you that this can be done in core rules. 1 other point your forgetting is,,, it will take less time to create if a modder was to stick to the core creatures for the most part. wink.gif
He can create some new ones yes, but they would be what they would be! Anyone know what a "Tarasque" is? How about a "Living Wall"?
My fellow gamers, if vlad were to imput my idea's into a game I would promiss that you would be verklempt with excitement for hours.

You may think it rediculous, but I certainly don't. I understand "completely" what you are saying. What I am doing is going beyond the way you are think sort of a few steps ahead in a way of speaking. I have been there,, done that,, in the end,,, it doesn't last!

The main reason why so many mods have been created isn't just to propogate more game play, it has been mostly to improve it, yes? So, though you might enjoy it, I can say from my years of experience, I will count 10 who don't for every one that does. This is the part you refuse to accept. Why you think it couldn't be better "Using" core rules, shows that you don't actualy know the core rules or the endless (ENDLESS) possibilities a Modder can create within this games scope, without taking any onesingle thing away from your character in order to make it more challenging or difficult.

I don't think you think it can be done. I think a lot of you think your could figure any scenario out for yourself with the limited exposure to Baldur's Gate that you have had. Do you not think I could challenge you happy.gif

I could take 10, 5th level monsters, put them in the right scenario, and kill 80% of your party at 15th level before you knew what happened and before the last two fellas might have figured it out.Not one of these creatures would be altered in any way.
You haven't even scratched the surface of knowledge this game is capable of! There is no need to deviate from the core rules and trust me when I say, if you think this game is fun now, my ideas would make your mouth water and get you wet in the netherworld areas and keep you bigging for more!


How 'bout a scenario that could permanently kill your character if you willingly attempted it! Ya, one time chance! How many of you would have the brass cahonas to try that? Let me put it to you another way. I once dm'd a game called "the Castle of Amputee" many years ago. The winner of the gold was the person who left the castle with the most body parts left. and I did it with CORE RULES!

lol....true story dudes. It was funnier than hell!

The possibilities are endless!







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Bereth Darkides   Regarding the game play (EDITED MAY 15, 2008)   Apr 11 2008, 03:36 AM
Hoppy   Don't cheat either, cause I think there is an ...   Apr 11 2008, 04:48 AM
Bereth Darkides   Don't cheat either, cause I think there is an ...   Apr 11 2008, 05:03 PM
Golden Thief   @Bereth Darkides When I first started playing NEJ ...   Apr 11 2008, 11:24 AM
Bereth Darkides   @Bereth Darkides When I first started playing NEJ ...   Apr 11 2008, 05:34 PM
Hoppy   Actually a good process that helps is clear one ca...   Apr 11 2008, 01:44 PM
Vlad   Well, it's challenging, for sure, unless you u...   Apr 11 2008, 02:02 PM
Bereth Darkides   Lol,,, Challenging...pretty funny there Vlad.. I a...   Apr 11 2008, 04:28 PM
Bereth Darkides   Since when does Protection from Undead scroll prot...   Apr 11 2008, 05:44 PM
Golden Thief   @Bereth Darkides Cheating????? Why would that be c...   Apr 11 2008, 05:50 PM
Bereth Darkides   Well with my strategy I was able to clear three c...   Apr 11 2008, 05:54 PM
Golden Thief   I hear ya. I tend to rest more. After awhile you j...   Apr 11 2008, 06:31 PM
Hoppy   when you get really good, let us know what it is l...   Apr 11 2008, 10:27 PM
Vlad   Since BIS decided it is so. Didn't you that?...   Apr 11 2008, 11:02 PM
Bereth Darkides   Since BIS decided it is so. Didn't you that?...   Apr 12 2008, 03:17 PM
Golden Thief   Yep, I had to laugh about that one at first. I kep...   Apr 12 2008, 12:15 AM
ClefairyTorii   I pretty much agree with everything said here. ...   Apr 13 2008, 08:00 AM
Bereth Darkides   My Idea of what cheating is: (Pretty self explanit...   Apr 14 2008, 11:36 PM
Bereth Darkides   OK,, I'm at Dragons Eye; Well..man oh man. H...   Apr 16 2008, 07:07 AM
Sikret   Lastly and my most important point, consider the o...   Apr 16 2008, 08:46 AM
Bereth Darkides   [quote name='Bereth Darkides' post='30630' date='A...   Apr 17 2008, 01:50 PM
Bereth Darkides   PS,, I'll continue reports on bugs (no not bee...   Apr 16 2008, 07:21 AM
DavidW   The bottom line is that computer-game opponents ...   Apr 16 2008, 08:56 AM
Chev   I found these guys easy, just use Web and Entangle...   Apr 16 2008, 01:05 PM
Baronius   It wouldn't be needed to simulate human intel...   Apr 16 2008, 04:49 PM
DavidW   It wouldn't be needed to simulate human intel...   Apr 16 2008, 11:00 PM
Bereth Darkides   I'll reply tonight.. :P   Apr 16 2008, 09:00 PM
Baronius   Absolutely. On the other hand, many AI experts b...   Apr 16 2008, 11:50 PM
Vlad   Bereth, you won't believe but Imoen is capable...   Apr 17 2008, 09:01 AM
Bereth Darkides   Bereth, you won't believe but Imoen is capable...   Apr 17 2008, 02:20 PM
Hoppy   Therein lies one of my problems..... I ran out of ...   Apr 17 2008, 09:41 PM
Vlad   Well, well... The mighty Bereth Darkides forgot to...   Apr 17 2008, 06:18 PM
Vlad   :lol:   Apr 18 2008, 06:34 PM
Bereth Darkides   :lol: Ya OK.. OK... lets all have a BIG lau...   Apr 21 2008, 08:37 PM
Ymarsakar   I played the older version of Nej with IA 4.2 inst...   Apr 18 2008, 10:25 PM
Hoppy   Using additional scripts for individuals and parti...   Apr 19 2008, 07:50 PM
Ymarsakar   Having stacks of 200 arrows instead of 20 would al...   Apr 22 2008, 01:52 AM
Ymarsakar   Regular uScript and eSeries does a couple of thing...   Apr 24 2008, 09:12 PM
Hoppy   Yeah, the uscripts were a bit tedious. I give a l...   Apr 25 2008, 02:34 AM
Ymarsakar   When I was deciding which script I was going to re...   Apr 28 2008, 06:22 PM
Bereth Darkides   :ph34r: Mind You VLAD[/i][b]; You guys say tacti...   Apr 30 2008, 04:53 PM
Hoppy   :ph34r: Mind You VLAD; You guys say tactics,,,, ...   Apr 30 2008, 09:50 PM
Bereth Darkides   :ph34r: Mind You [u]VLAD; You guys say tactics,,...   May 1 2008, 09:14 PM
Hoppy   Even if the games are very close, I am sure there ...   May 2 2008, 01:43 AM
Bereth Darkides   Oh Absolutely Hoppy, I couldn't agree more in ...   May 3 2008, 06:16 PM
Bereth Darkides   OK.. sisnce nobody could guess the answer above I...   May 7 2008, 08:53 PM
wellunhappy   The lizard men suck yeh and they are real tough bu...   May 8 2008, 02:09 AM
Hoppy   Just hope that the BP lot don’t manage to make i...   May 8 2008, 04:47 AM
DavidW   However, you may try NeJ691 with SCSII and see ho...   May 8 2008, 07:56 PM
Hoppy   Not that I know of. If you try it, let me know. D...   May 9 2008, 12:42 AM
DavidW   [quote name='DavidW' post='31268' date='May 8 2008...   May 9 2008, 06:46 PM
Hoppy   [quote name='DavidW' post='31268' date='May 8 2008...   May 9 2008, 06:51 PM
Bereth Darkides   [quote name='DavidW' post='31268' date='May 8 2008...   May 15 2008, 07:28 PM
ClefairyTorii   Maybe I just love pain, but I actually enjoyed the...   May 8 2008, 05:56 AM
Bereth Darkides   Maybe I just love pain, but I actually enjoyed the...   May 8 2008, 06:34 PM
Chev   A mage would be nice, but for NeJ part 2 the PC ne...   May 8 2008, 04:03 PM
Hoppy   A mage would be nice, but for NeJ part 2 the PC ne...   May 8 2008, 04:59 PM
Bereth Darkides   OK took a break but came back and played last nigh...   May 15 2008, 08:04 PM
Bereth Darkides   BTW, I take no joy in responding in the way noted ...   May 15 2008, 09:03 PM
Ymarsakar   You'll get a kick out of playing, trying to pl...   May 15 2008, 09:52 PM
Hoppy   Bereth, Why don't you create a tactics mod for...   May 15 2008, 10:46 PM
Bereth Darkides   Bereth, Why don't you create a tactics mod for...   May 21 2008, 01:40 PM
Senka   And I have to add, if you don't like this mod ...   May 16 2008, 08:38 AM
Baronius   I think Bereth is big D&D fan, who would like ...   May 16 2008, 12:28 PM
Sir-Kill   Heh yeah I am not a big D&D rules guy either b...   May 16 2008, 01:14 PM
Hoppy   I will say it again that BG1 and BG2 were based on...   May 16 2008, 05:11 PM
Bereth Darkides   Guys,,, understand something. A Baetazu losing to ...   May 16 2008, 05:58 PM
Bereth Darkides   Please don't take it personaly, I still love a...   May 16 2008, 06:15 PM
Sir-Kill   I did not take any offense. you probably have a go...   May 16 2008, 08:46 PM
Bereth Darkides   I did not take any offense. you probably have a go...   May 20 2008, 01:52 PM
Baronius   No problem Bereth :lol: Perhaps because many o...   May 16 2008, 09:03 PM
ClefairyTorii   I personally played AD&D 2nd edition for many ...   May 17 2008, 12:23 AM
Bereth Darkides   I personally played AD&D 2nd edition for many ...   May 21 2008, 01:27 PM
DavidW   You wouldn't let a +1 sword strike the dragons...   May 22 2008, 08:02 AM
Bereth Darkides   +1 swords work just fine against every dragon in t...   May 23 2008, 06:36 PM
DavidW   Dragons immunties are based on there age. Great wy...   May 23 2008, 11:09 PM
Chev   Dragons immunties are based on there age. Great wy...   May 24 2008, 02:56 AM
Hoppy   [quote name='DavidW' post='31643' date='May 23 200...   May 24 2008, 05:02 AM
Valiant   Anytime you want me to quote the books in question...   May 25 2008, 07:09 AM
Sir-Kill   cool. Do you have any web publishing experience (i...   May 20 2008, 02:19 PM
Bereth Darkides   Sounds like a good Idea. I'll tell you what, I...   May 21 2008, 12:07 PM
Sir-Kill   I would tend to disagree about the web page, I per...   May 21 2008, 01:07 PM
Hoppy   I like Sir-Kill's request about the balances v...   May 22 2008, 01:54 AM
Ymarsakar   Because there is no Dungeon Master to continually ...   May 22 2008, 03:27 PM
Bereth Darkides   You must then now remove all summon fiend or demon...   May 23 2008, 06:19 PM
The Bigg   He's vulnerable to +1 and even normal weapons....   May 23 2008, 07:00 PM
Hoppy   He's vulnerable to +1 and even normal weapons....   May 23 2008, 07:42 PM
Hoppy   Bereth, I still don't understand how the scena...   May 23 2008, 07:34 PM
The Bigg   Your point about Liches and their phylacteries or ...   May 23 2008, 08:30 PM
ClefairyTorii   1) I see no reason why a Troll couldn't have...   May 26 2008, 12:49 AM
Bereth Darkides   1) I see no reason why a Troll couldn't have...   May 26 2008, 09:08 PM
DavidW   Do not try to tell me there is no + required to hi...   May 26 2008, 11:39 PM
Bereth Darkides   Your right though, the DM "can" do whate...   May 26 2008, 09:27 PM
Sir-Kill   using 'CAPPS' and '!!!...   May 26 2008, 09:47 PM
ClefairyTorii   As explained earlier, the system is in place as ...   May 27 2008, 12:36 AM
Bereth Darkides   (Face in hands, shaking my head no) It is very o...   May 29 2008, 04:44 PM
Clown   I have been reading this thread since you first ma...   May 29 2008, 05:31 PM
Bereth Darkides   simply because it does not directly correlate with...   May 29 2008, 08:40 PM
Valiant   Well, guys, I think this debate is slowly taking t...   May 29 2008, 07:37 PM
Bereth Darkides   Well, guys, I think this debate is slowly taking t...   May 29 2008, 08:02 PM
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