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Shadan
post Jan 14 2008, 05:47 PM
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As Ryel asked, I will write about my party and my game also here. I was not able to resist to start the game, despite of I wanted to start only in some weeks, when I will have more time. smile.gif
I hesitated alot with my party selection. I wanted 5 man party earlier, but after reading Sikret's progression, I changed my mind to 6 man party. I wanted to use at least 3-4 custom NPC, but hesitated abit on 1-2 bioware NPC also. Since I am an attribute fun, at end I started with 6 custom made chars. Maybe in v6, I will do with Bioware NPCs again, and it seems druid protagonist. smile.gif

So my party:
Human vagrant (as usual:)):
I gave long sword **, axe, club, flail * and 2weapons *** to him. Luckily I pickpocketed an Enchanted Weapon scroll for my mage, so in dire situations I am able to give him +3 long swords and +3 maces to my cleric. I have The Root of the Problem and Flametongue now, so at lvl 9 I put 2nd * in the club. And I think I will increase his flail skill at lvl 12.

Human swashbuckler lvl 10 - fighter:
This character gave the most thinking to me. Finally I chosed staff** and 2handed weapons ** for him. At lvl 10 I changed him to fighter. Now he is lvl 8 and has halberd **** and 2handed sword **. He will be very versatile character in damage type (halberd - piercing, staff -crushing, 2handed swords - slashing). I chose him to handle locks, traps and illusions, so he has 100 % pick lock, find trap and detect illusion. I want to buy Harmonium halberd for him, if I will have money for this, since 19 Str is huge upgrade considered to pure 18.

And the four sisters:
Half-elf blade
I liked Haer'Dalis in my 4.2 run, so I chose blade again. Reasons are in this topic in my former post. I hesitated alot between Haer and custom NPC, I chose custom cause of better attribute distribution and earlier join, but I lost easy upgradable Chaos Blade and ** in short sword. I started her with scimitar, katana *, 2weapons: **, but since I haven't found any magic weapon for her, she used Melf's Minute Meteor in fights. Sadly it is bugged with offensive spin as I wrote in bug report topic, but she was very good with MMM anyway. Now I have got Rashad's Talon which is a great weapon for her. She has 18 charisma and with a Friends she has 24, which means almost best buying price.
There were no need in good tanks so early in the game as I am now, but later she will be the best tank ever. smile.gif And she did a wonderful pickpocket tour at start, and I am planning to do it again after I get back to the city.

Human ranger 7 - cleric:
I dualled her immidiately after start. She started with 2weapons ***, warhammer**, shield and sword **, flail *. As cleric, I chose mace *, sling *, club * and put 2nd point into mace at lvl 8. The main reason to chose her above Anomen (who was great in my 4.2run) is Ironskin, better attributes, and some druidic summon at start. Price was loosing the option of 5* proficiencies, Anomen’s doesn’t have any good improveable item. She will use the usual maces, hammers mostly.

Elf sorcerer:
She is the 6th member who was not in my original party conception. She has the following spells (* means she had that spell at start):
lvl 1: Armor*, Shield*, Spook*, Magic M.*, Larloch’s M. Dr.*
lvl 2: Melf’s AA*, Horror*, Mirror Image*, Vocalize
lvl 3: Flame Arrow*, Skull Trap*, Vampiric Touch, Slow (Remove Magic planned)
lvl 4: Emotion, Spider Spawn (Ray of Fragmentation and Stoneskin planned)
lvl 5: Breach (Lower Resistance, Sunfire planned)

Half-elf summoner:
I hesitated alot between Nalia and custom NPC. Nalia has a nice upgradeable ring, but a specialist mage is better at start. Decision was made since I WANT to cast that damned Wish with her. smile.gif

I am basically following Sikret’s quest order. Well, more or less and mostly only at start. I did some pick pocket tour after circus (I was lucky to get a Spell Trap Scroll, 2 Mord. Sword scroll and some others, but no manual or Perm. Scroll), then I went out to Umar and Trademeet. I encountered with Suna earlier, and she suprised me, but after reload and some spell casted before map change, I easy managed them. Fladorn was a bit hard, but when I killed her, I made 1st challenge immidiately after rest. It was funny, since I thought I am itemless again, and started my usual Faldorn tactic, after 2 rounds I realized I have weapons, so beat that druid very fast. smile.gif Rakshasa in the tower were not too big challenge. I went back to Trademeet for rewards. Now I will go back to the city, and will do some minor quests when I have time to play again. At this time I won’t follow Sikret’s order, but mostly I will do those quests what he did, just not in that order.
My only big concern are Crowled Wizards. In my 4.2 run I didn’t pay to them. I killed their members easily, but the last fight was very very hard. I was able to kill them only just before I went to Spellhold (I did all available quests in chapter 3 in that game as well as WK 1st and 2nd lvl). I was not allowed to cast arcane spells on the streets, but as far as I remember this was not so big problem in that game, not too many fights are on the street. Now maybe Anarg and his followers could cause problem. My only headache was Borinal, since it was a very hard fight with new enemies in my 4.2 run, and I was not able to cast defensive spells before his door, so I had to go to Oghma temple for casting. Now I don’t know if I should pay, or suffer a bit hindrace sometimes while I am not able to kill their lasts members.
End of my report now. smile.gif

New part
I was not able to resist playing a while yesterday. I pickpocketed a large part of the city and I've got a Helm of Glory. (If it is a cheesy, I can tell the location, Sikret.) Well I can do a paper armor from Identify and Shocking Grasp scrolls what I pickpocketed. smile. smile.gif
I also killed Valeria and her goons. They surprised me, when I went in with badly injured chars while Iexplored the city and did the pikcpocket tour, so I had to reload. smile.gif) And did the tanner quest.
End of my report now. smile.gif

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Shadan
post Jan 28 2008, 11:41 AM
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Thanks Vagramant, I have found them also. Since Planar Prison was one of the hardest place in my 4.2 run, I left this to last before Spellhold. It was hardest because I was new in IA, my party was a bit low level (no Ruby etc.), I didn’t have good save game before PP, and Haer’Dalis was my party member. So I suffered alot with that warden in 4.2. But lets go back, and continue from my last report.
I did all quests what Sikret did, except sewer party and Shade Lord. I am sure, I could handle them, but I was a bit afraid because I didn’t want to go to Spellhold with too high level. Since I did cleric stronghold quests also, finished Planar Sphere and student graduating, and did more part in fighter stronghold, there was a possibility to reach the magical XP number for improved Spellhold. So I did Firkraag’s Lair except Samia and Firkraag. Conster was a quite challenge. I skipped ToD to chapter 6 also, cause of similar reason. I wanted to do pirates in the docks, but at end I forgot them, and I went to Spellhold. I was in deep Spellhold, when I realized this, and I was angry, because I missed the loot from pirates, but I didn’t want to play whole thing again.
Planar Sphere was challenge also in luck of Ruby Ray. Prison was interesting, since I had Ruby Ray (my sorcerer and conjurer leveled to 14 after Planar Sphere), so warden was too easy with destroying the gem. I was able to burn down hounds really really fast, and 2 Ruby Ray 1 Breach, and warden was dead. After this I realized that I cannot go down to last 2 pits (minotaurs and slaver captains+golems). So I choose to reload and my blade ran down to those 2 pits. Of course warden attacked, but I intended to destroy gem when my blade was out of pits with some pit monsters. But, I clicked only once, and didn’t realized that I would have to click twice. Anyway, I killed all yuan-tis, warden, some minotaurs etc. and appr. 8 planar hounds + the warden of course. Well more XP, more loot. smile.gif I went down into the 2 pits, and cleared the remaining monsters there also. At this time I realized my mistake with gem, so I destroyed it, but I didn’t get XP. Anyway, I had got more XP and treasure than with usual method, and I didn’t want to do the whole thing again, so I missed 20+k XP with gem destroying. smile.gif
So I went to Spellhold which is one of my favorite place in Improved Anvil. Vadek and Lady was a bit easy, the narrow corridor caused the most problem for me, not the enemies. Perth was easy also, so I reloaded and tried to endure as long as I can to get more coin golems. So I dispelled his spell protections, and my casters just stood there and tried to interrupt his spells with Larloch M. Dr., while my fighters killed golems very fast. I had got 3 or 4 golems, I didn’t see anymore for a while, so I killed the mage. I tried to dispel his melee protections also, but he used up scrolls very fast, so I decided not to Breach him, so scrolls left as loot when he died. Some bonus Abs. Imm. scrolls are always good to sell. 
Spellhold was fun. Shade Lich and skelly lords was a challenge, since my Remove Magic at lvl 17/18 from my blade was not enough to dispel Impr. Invis from lich. So I used brute tactic there. Vampire lord was good also, he immidiately shifted from my blade, when she casted PfMW. This is reasonable from an ancient vampire lord, but I think brainless golems and monsters with low intelligence shouldn’t change always to most vulnarable target...
I agree with Sikret, Cat O’Nine Lives was too easy...
Amber golems and guardian spirits was enough hard. I don’t know how, but those guradian spirits killed my blade within 2 rounds. He had -20 AC, Stonekins, Mirror Image, fire, lightning, magic damage res was max. Maybe they do cold damage, and I realized I missed prot. from cold from my blade at buffs, all of my fighters had it. Anyway, Stonekin didn’t protect agasint them. If they do cold damage, it is fine, since cold res. is less important resistance, so I am glad if I have to use it. Anyway, brute force and some summon helped to win this fight. Those swanmays are really good. Sadly I think old summons from spells are really crap (Spider Spawn was good at start, now it is a bit useless. Skeleton Warriors are mediocre, Mordi Swords are OK, but other summons are crap), only item summons worth something.
Ancient Tome was too easy. I went to Brynnlaw with lvl 13 vagrant. He was lvl 14 at tome, my sorcerer and conjurer was lvl 15. Those spiders not too big challenge at this stage. Probably all ppl did spiders at lost temple or in ogre tower before Spellhold, so this Tome is too easy, I would recommend another 2 weaves of mobs (maybe skip the first 2, since they are joke). I recommend this even at normal (not Improved) Spellhold.
My first suggestion:
Minotaur King with high melee capabality. And a dozen (10-20) of nomral minotaurs. Fighter should concentrate on king, while casters should AoE the normal ones. Or alternatively some summoned meatshields could hold normal ones for a bit. I would appreciate if I could use old Fireball and similar spells. smile.gif
My second weave suggestion:
3 demons: All demons should have crushing, piercing and bludgeoning resistance above 90 %. Their magic resistance 100 %, but no elemental resistance at all. Good saves, but weak offensive power. They wouldn’t use any dispelling method, but they would use many elemental damage spells (Acid Fog, Delayed Blast Fireballs, Chain Lightnings, Flame Arrows, Cone of Colds etc.), so all type of elemental resistance would be an important factor in this fight. (Don’t forget, this would be the last weave at tome, so some of your buffs could be down cause of duration.) And these demons could summon a lot of smaller demons with mediocre melee capabilities, but 100 % magic resistance (immune to Lower Res. also.). So the ideal battle strategy would be this:
as much elemental resistance as you can, many Zone of Sweet Air
fighters and summon should kill small demons (there should be really alot (like 5-6 from 1 summon, and they shouldn’t die from 1 hit)
casters lower big demon’s magi res with Lower Res., and they have to kill them via spells. I would like to use that useless low level damaging spells also. smile.gif
All in all, I left Spellhold. Now I’m going to back to Brynnlaw again.
End of report. smile.gif
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shadan   IAv5 experiences   Jan 14 2008, 05:47 PM
shadan   I hope Sikret doesn't mind if I continue my re...   Jan 14 2008, 06:00 PM
Daulmakan   The Genie's Flask - from named nymph at Windsp...   Jan 14 2008, 07:32 PM
Sikret   I hope Sikret doesn't mind if I continue my re...   Jan 15 2008, 09:46 AM
Ryel ril Ers   @Shadan Did you use Dongeon-be-Gone? I think that...   Jan 14 2008, 09:26 PM
shadan   Hmm, it seems I forgot to do that Genie quest in t...   Jan 15 2008, 08:11 AM
Shaitan   Darn huh? You just missed 19500 xp and a great two...   Jan 15 2008, 08:17 AM
lroumen   Doesn't it depend a little on how you're p...   Jan 15 2008, 10:57 AM
Ryel ril Ers   @Sikret 1) Can you share with us what is the diffe...   Jan 15 2008, 11:05 AM
Sikret   1) Can you share with us what is the difference be...   Jan 15 2008, 01:12 PM
shadan   OK, I did some quests now, so I would like to comm...   Jan 16 2008, 12:08 PM
Ryel ril Ers   Don't equip your swashbucker with chain! T...   Jan 16 2008, 12:59 PM
shadan   Ryel: I will use plate then with my swashi... he i...   Jan 16 2008, 01:24 PM
shadan   What about my question concerning wizard version o...   Jan 17 2008, 01:02 PM
Caedwyr   The game does not use the Magical Fire damage type...   Jan 17 2008, 07:07 PM
shadan   Well, I just realized I have played IAv5 at hard d...   Jan 18 2008, 05:13 PM
Raven   Well, I just realized I have played IAv5 at hard d...   Jan 18 2008, 05:23 PM
shadan   Does anyone know where can I buy or find Morningst...   Jan 26 2008, 04:57 PM
Vardaman   Does anyone know where can I buy or find Morningst...   Jan 27 2008, 08:32 PM
shadan   Thanks Vagramant, I have found them also. Since Pl...   Jan 28 2008, 11:41 AM
Mongerman   Shadan, could you share some experiences on how me...   Jan 28 2008, 03:41 PM
Sikret   Shadan, could you share some experiences on how me...   Jan 29 2008, 08:27 AM
shadan   Sorry, I really don't know. I just noticed som...   Jan 29 2008, 08:10 AM
Sikret   @shadan What makes the Ancient Tome challenging i...   Jan 30 2008, 08:37 AM
shadan   Time limit? Do you mean you cannot rest between fi...   Jan 30 2008, 10:40 AM
Sikret   Time limit? Do you mean you cannot rest between fi...   Jan 30 2008, 10:49 AM
shadan   Thanks Sikret! I did it in time then. But I am...   Jan 30 2008, 01:15 PM
shadan   Some new fights: I forgot to mention Irenicus fig...   Feb 1 2008, 06:17 PM
shadan   I finished the Underdark. The 2 drow ambush were t...   Feb 12 2008, 03:09 PM
shadan   I did almost all SoA, I am in elven city now. I di...   Feb 20 2008, 12:52 PM
Sikret   Sadlt Delon havent appeared yet despite some time ...   Feb 20 2008, 01:28 PM
Vardaman   All in all I think some prices should be a bit low...   Feb 20 2008, 01:53 PM
shadan   Agree with Vardaman... And Cloak of Res +3 should ...   Feb 20 2008, 02:23 PM
Sikret   There is a big number of possible item-upgrades in...   Feb 20 2008, 02:29 PM
Shaitan   I like the way Sikret handled the huge amount of G...   Feb 20 2008, 07:59 PM
lroumen   I've rarely had more than 100k at the end of t...   Feb 21 2008, 08:22 AM
shadan   Personally I think ppl like new improved items... ...   Feb 21 2008, 09:58 AM
Shaitan   Personally I think ppl like new improved items... ...   Feb 21 2008, 11:36 AM
shadan   I guess one of the main reasons Sikret did what he...   Feb 21 2008, 01:04 PM
Shaitan   Well actually I wouldn't know about that as I...   Feb 21 2008, 01:10 PM
lroumen   I would like to forge a majority of good items, bu...   Feb 21 2008, 04:39 PM
Sikret   As for the upgrade prices, I don't have anythi...   Feb 22 2008, 12:40 PM
Baronius   I can only second what Sikret has written. These ...   Feb 22 2008, 01:27 PM
shadan   Yes I know this. We call as "treasure" e...   Feb 22 2008, 01:49 PM
Vardaman   Yes I know this. We call as "treasure" e...   Feb 22 2008, 02:27 PM
rbeverjr   I am only ONE player, maybe others aren't diss...   Feb 22 2008, 05:00 PM
Sikret   And isn't it 200 lbs of Amber each drop? What...   Feb 22 2008, 03:07 PM
coaster   Don't you basically get infinite gold if you...   Feb 22 2008, 07:24 PM
shadan   Hmm, seems I am in big trouble. I cannot finish ba...   Feb 22 2008, 11:34 PM
Sikret   My cabin is not lost. Minister Lloyd is friendly, ...   Feb 23 2008, 12:06 PM
shadan   Thanks Sikret. It seems it was easier to start aga...   Feb 23 2008, 12:31 PM
Sikret   Ok, as for the money problem, I applied some chang...   Mar 25 2008, 01:06 AM
shadan   Good news, thanks Sikret. I especially greet the X...   Mar 26 2008, 09:22 AM
shadan   As I see not too many new posts on this forum nowa...   Mar 31 2008, 08:12 AM
Raven   As I see not too many new posts on this forum nowa...   Mar 31 2008, 09:46 AM
shadan   The berserek, 2 Greater Swanmays, Noble Spider and...   Mar 31 2008, 10:52 AM
shadan   I finished Twisted Rune. It was hardest fight for ...   May 1 2008, 05:15 PM
Vardaman   I finished Twisted Rune. It was hardest fight for ...   May 1 2008, 10:02 PM
shadan   I know there is a bug regarding Spell Shield and R...   May 6 2008, 05:19 PM
Raven   Pretty sure that's the usual (unfixable) Spell...   May 6 2008, 10:52 PM
Sikret   As Raven mentioned, It's related to the unfixa...   May 9 2008, 05:47 PM
Arkain   Isn't it possible to make Spellshield react to...   May 10 2008, 02:05 AM
Sikret   Isn't it possible to make Spellshield react to...   May 10 2008, 02:28 AM
shadan   I finished the game. Strongest killed enemies: Va...   May 24 2008, 07:10 AM
lroumen   Congrats Shadan. It's a mighty feat to beat IA...   May 24 2008, 09:00 AM
shadan   Thanks, Iroumen. Imho vagrant is the strongest cla...   May 24 2008, 09:45 AM
lroumen   Yes, that's what I don't really like about...   May 25 2008, 08:51 AM


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