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Sikret
post Jan 8 2008, 08:37 AM
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Before I create the main poll to choose the replacement for Mislead spell, I want to gather suggestions to be the candidates and options of the poll. So, feel free to send your suggestions here.

So far, I have thought of three possible spells. My own favorite one (so far) is the third one below:

1- Moster Summoning 4:

Advantages: A classic 6th level spell form pnp. Easy to make and not controversial at all.

Disadvantages: There are already a few summoning spells among the 6th level spells; so this spell can hardly encourage the player to choose it.

2- Improved Enchanted Weapon:

An improved version of the 4th level spell, "Enchanted Weapon". This spell will create +4 weapons but for much shorter duration compared to the 4th level spell which creates +3 weapons which remain for a long time.

Advantages: This spell can be a great help for players who don't have +4 weapons for when they unexpectedly encounter an enemy who requires +4 (or better) weapons to hit. The scrolls of this spell can also be used as upgrade ingredients to forge powerful weapons.

Disadvantages: The spell will severely decrease the importance of +4 weapons and artifacts in the game. If every 12th level mage is capabale of fabricating +4 weapons, what's the significance of artifacts and relics. It will also decrease the significance of those powerful foes which are immune to +3 weapons. For these reasons, this choice is my least favorite one so far, but feel free to argue for it if you think it's a good choice.

3- Giant Strength:

An improved version of the second level spell, "Strength". This spell grants the strength of a giant type to the recipient for its duration or until dispelled successfully. A 12th level mage can raise the recipient's strength to the strength of a Hill giant (19); a 14th level mage can increase the strength to that of a Stone Giant (20); a 16th level mage can create the strength of a Frost Giant (21); an 18th level mage can increase the recipient's strength to that of a Fire Giant (22) and a 20th level mage can create the strength of a Cloud Giant (23).

Advantages: Potions of Giant Strength are relatively rare (compared to other types of potions) in the game and this spell can excellently work as a replacement for those rare potions.

Disadvantages: As the game proceeds, the party will have items which grant permanent giant strengths and this spell may gradually become less useful.

Please, comment on these options and also offer your own suggestions. After having enough discussions here and collecting the best possible options, I will create a final poll to decide over the new spell.

As in the case of previous similar threads for new spells, any suggestions for a new spell which can lower enemies' resistances (such as resistances to elemental and physical damage types) won't be accepted; so, please don't suggest that kind of spells.

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post Jan 15 2008, 11:24 AM
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What if I make the Giant Strength spell undispellable for its duration? Will it make it a solid 6th level spell?


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QUOTE(Sikret @ Jan 15 2008, 11:24 AM) *
What if I make the Giant Strength spell undispellable for its duration? Will it make it a solid 6th level spell?


At first I didn't like the idea of such a spell because I thought it would devalue Giant Strength potions (I personally like the fact that many of these are limited in number and have to be used carefully). But since there are plenty of other powerful level 6 spells which a caster will have to forego to be able to memorise this spell I now think that's not such a problem.

I don't see the need for a flashy or powerful replacement for Mislead since except when used cheesily it was not such a powerful spell to start with in most situations. So power-wise I don't think this strength spell is too weak.

Btw, what was the intended duration of the spell?
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QUOTE(Raven @ Jan 15 2008, 04:30 PM) *
I don't see the need for a flashy or powerful replacement for Mislead since except when used cheesily it was not such a powerful spell to start with in most situations. So power-wise I don't think this strength spell is too weak.


Do you mean that even being dispellable it's ok? Do you think it's better to keep the idea as a dispellable spell or to change it to undispellable?

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Btw, what was the intended duration of the spell?


I was thinking of 2 turns (= 20 rounds).


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Sikret   A new 6th level spell (not the poll yet)   Jan 8 2008, 08:37 AM
shadan   1. Yes, there are some summons on lvl 6, no need m...   Jan 8 2008, 10:11 AM
Clown   Based on my experiences so far with my 5.0 run thr...   Jan 8 2008, 10:14 AM
Vardaman   Based on my experiences so far with my 5.0 run thr...   Jan 8 2008, 02:31 PM
lroumen   Monster Summoning IV: I don't think that playe...   Jan 8 2008, 10:17 AM
Sikret   Thanks all! It's great to receive feedback...   Jan 8 2008, 11:18 AM
lroumen   I didn't know Emotion would be the odd one out...   Jan 8 2008, 01:48 PM
Sikret   There are actually more pointless spells in the ga...   Jan 8 2008, 01:50 PM
lroumen   Maybe change Non-Detection to counter True Sight, ...   Jan 8 2008, 02:06 PM
Clown   Sikret: I was thinking probably just a few rounds...   Jan 8 2008, 03:01 PM
leonidas   Well I think I've suggested this spell before,...   Jan 8 2008, 11:17 PM
nerieo   I choose 2- Improved Enchanted Weapon. For the M...   Jan 9 2008, 08:48 AM
Sikret   @Iroumen Your suggested Remove Confusion spell is...   Jan 9 2008, 09:15 AM
lroumen   It's not unheard of that some Clerical Spells ...   Jan 9 2008, 02:13 PM
Shaitan   What about leve 5? Regards   Jan 9 2008, 09:37 AM
shadan   I was thinking a whole day on Sikret's recomme...   Jan 9 2008, 09:40 AM
Sikret   1. I would recommend to upgrade Remove Paralysis t...   Jan 9 2008, 11:15 AM
shadan   OK, I will try to test Remove Paralysis and PWStun...   Jan 9 2008, 11:26 AM
Sikret   OK, I will try to test Remove Paralysis and PWStun...   Jan 9 2008, 11:54 AM
shadan   I checked Power Word Stun and Remove Paralysis in ...   Jan 9 2008, 05:25 PM
Ryel ril Ers   I think her belt save her all the bad effect inclu...   Jan 9 2008, 05:41 PM
rbeverjr   At sixth level, we are rich in great spells. I thi...   Jan 10 2008, 02:47 PM
Sikret   What if I make the Giant Strength spell undispella...   Jan 15 2008, 11:24 AM
Raven   What if I make the Giant Strength spell undispella...   Jan 15 2008, 12:00 PM
Sikret   I don't see the need for a flashy or powerful ...   Jan 15 2008, 12:27 PM
Raven   Do you mean that even being dispellable it's o...   Jan 15 2008, 12:36 PM
Sikret   By undispellable do you mean nothing at all can re...   Jan 15 2008, 12:48 PM
rbeverjr   I still personally prefer to keep Mislead for the ...   Jan 15 2008, 04:07 PM
lroumen   What about a combination of the two options? A t...   Jan 15 2008, 05:59 PM
rbeverjr   I propose for consideration as a level 6 spell, Im...   Jan 15 2008, 07:51 PM
Raven   I propose for consideration as a level 6 spell, Im...   Jan 15 2008, 11:52 PM
rbeverjr   I propose for consideration as a level 6 spell, Im...   Jan 16 2008, 12:16 AM
Sikret   Yes, the main goal is to get rid of the Mislead sp...   Jan 16 2008, 01:20 AM
shadan   What about to make potions to undispellable with R...   Jan 16 2008, 12:56 PM
Sikret   Sikret, you maybe should consider to strengthen th...   Jan 16 2008, 01:03 PM
Arkain   Hum... I just had the idea to implement some sort ...   Jan 16 2008, 01:04 PM
Sikret   Hum... I just had the idea to implement some sort ...   Jan 16 2008, 01:14 PM
Arkain   Yeah, I thought so too. But Pierce Magic has it...   Jan 16 2008, 01:18 PM
Ryel ril Ers   Chaos weapon (Illusion) level 6 The target's w...   Jan 16 2008, 01:25 PM
Sikret   Based on my experiences so far with my 5.0 run thr...   Jan 19 2008, 01:19 PM
Sikret   Consider this as nother new idea and comment on it...   Jan 23 2008, 09:53 AM
shadan   I think this should be good spell. Imho it would b...   Jan 23 2008, 10:11 AM
Raven   I think this should be good spell. Imho it would b...   Jan 23 2008, 10:23 AM
Sikret   I think (as others have said) the illusion school ...   Jan 23 2008, 11:12 AM
rbeverjr   I think (as others have said) the illusion school ...   Jan 24 2008, 03:48 PM
Sikret   Bolt of Glory has two advantages over this spell (...   Jan 23 2008, 10:21 AM
shadan   There is a DnD 3 and 3.5 spell, level 6 spell if I...   Jan 23 2008, 10:26 AM
Sikret   There is a DnD 3 and 3.5 spell, level 6 spell if I...   Jan 23 2008, 10:30 AM
Sikret   There is a DnD 3 and 3.5 spell, level 6 spell if I...   Jan 23 2008, 11:27 AM
Arkain   Honestly, I don't like that "Unraise Unde...   Jan 24 2008, 12:14 AM
Sikret   Honestly, I don't like that "Unraise Unde...   Jan 25 2008, 09:52 AM
Arkain   Honestly, I don't like that "Unraise Unde...   Jan 25 2008, 07:01 PM
Sikret   [quote name='Sikret' post='28686' date='Jan 25 200...   Jan 26 2008, 01:28 PM
luan   I have to agree that "Unraise Undead" so...   Jan 24 2008, 04:33 AM
lroumen   I would like to suggest calling it "Solar Tou...   Jan 24 2008, 09:08 AM
Vardaman   How about something simple like 'Disrupt Undea...   Jan 24 2008, 02:39 PM
Sikret   If you want to nerf illusion even more, then make ...   Jan 25 2008, 09:17 AM
rbeverjr   I concede that you are right - mirror image is pro...   Jan 25 2008, 02:17 PM
Sikret   Finally, I wish you were as diplomatic in your rep...   Jan 25 2008, 04:19 PM
rbeverjr   Finally, I wish you were as diplomatic in your rep...   Jan 25 2008, 04:41 PM
Sikret   Apology accepted. I try to believe the best in peo...   Jan 26 2008, 01:22 PM
luan   Smite Undead! I like this name :)   Jan 26 2008, 01:14 AM
luan   Cheat is actually more offensive than cheese unfor...   Jan 26 2008, 01:35 PM
Sikret   You could probably just say "The problem with...   Jan 26 2008, 01:58 PM
rbeverjr   "I seriously disagree with making such a spel...   Jan 26 2008, 02:46 PM
Sikret   you can see that this one spell neutralizes many s...   Jan 26 2008, 04:01 PM
luan   Haha, that's perfect Sikret! I would even ...   Jan 26 2008, 02:19 PM
shadan   I have to agree with rbeverjr regarding Spellstrik...   Jan 26 2008, 03:27 PM
Sikret   Here is another idea for the new 6th level spell: ...   Jan 29 2008, 09:42 AM
shadan   It would be a good spell, just ay 6th level, there...   Jan 29 2008, 10:28 AM
Sikret   It would be a good spell, just ay 6th level, there...   Jan 29 2008, 11:42 AM
lroumen   I've though about the different possibilities ...   Jan 29 2008, 11:09 AM
Sikret   I've though about the different possibilities ...   Jan 29 2008, 01:05 PM


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