Players! You are not real!, Another disgusting lie Options

[Sikret]

While I understand that these people are really envious of Improved Anvil's quality and popularity, I really didn't expect them to go so far to write such disgusting lies:

He writes:

whereas this can't be proven unless I had access to the BWL database (to cross-check IPs), I strongly suspect that the fanbase is at least partially astroturfed.

Hilarious!

All of the people who have sent praising post about IA are known people who have used the same nicknames in all forums for years (see Sorcerer's place for example).

He continues:

As a semi-proof, you don't see people posting praise this often at no other mod forum.

Well, that's because:

1- Improved Anvil is the only bugfree big mod.
2- Improved Anvil adds so many new quests and new content to the game.
3- Improved Anvil has high quality (= no bugs, no CTDs, good tactical challenges, new encounters, new monsters, expanded strongholds, Item randomizer and so on)

Instead of deducing the natural consequence that players really like IA, the envious modder has decided to conclude that these posters are not real (i.e. it is me who is posting here with different nicknames to praise my own mod!!)

He also claims that we delete criticisms which is another lie. We have only deleted insulting or trolling posts in the past. Constructive and polite criticisms have never been deleted; some of the topics (a minority of them not all of them) have been closed after a while but none of them have been deleted (even a degree of rudeness has been tolerated and even though some posts have been tactless and insulting enough to deserve being deleted, we kept them).

Where is the modding community going to?

My suggestion to them is to make a better mod than IA if they can. In that case, players will send praising posts to their forums. No more disgusting lies and accusations please. I am fed up with such lies.

This post has been edited by Sikret: Sep 4 2007, 08:57 AM

[SimDing0]

I never stop being funny.

[Marceror]

I never stop being funny.

In your own mind, at least! Oops, I didn't say that out loud did I??


@berelinde

Er, Marceror, you are going a bit far, here. SimDingO displays his usual sense of irony, and you launch an attack on G3 modders? While he does contribute to some G3 projects, Quest Pack is actually hosted at PPG. (And it isn't the size of the quest, it's the entertainment value. My favorite component of Quest Pack is "Saving Sanik," and that whole sequence takes what? 30 seconds? But that is glaringly off topic, so I'm letting it drop.)

First off, I don’t feel that I launched an attack against anyone. And if I did, it certainly wasn’t directed at the “G3 modders.” Rather, my comments were directed at a vocal core of BG2 modders, who as far as I know represent a variety of different modding communities, and who have been involved in this same kind of bickering for several years.

My comment about Questpack wasn’t meant to tear that mod down. I don’t believe that mod tries to be an absolute game changer, like IA clearly does. From what I recall, Questpack attempts to blend in with the vanilla game as much as possible. So my comment that it doesn’t have a dramatic impact on gameplay is not an insult at all. It’s probably something more akin to a compliment. I just made a matter of fact observation as to why IA is likely a greater source of attention (positive and negative) than one of Questpack’s features. No attack. No insult. Just making a point to address “the bigg’s” amazement that IA receives such an abundance of positive feedback (there’s plenty of negative to go with it). I typically play BG2 with Questpack installed, so I’m certainly not bashing.

But this is about IA players, not about Quest Pack. I do not think that the majority of the folks who read that thread honestly believe that folks at IA aren't real.

While I’ve played through IA 4.2, and enjoyed it, I haven’t joined any special club or secret society related to this mod. Sure, you can call me an IA player, based on the fact that I’ve played it. But I don’t declare that I’m on anyone’s “side” in these kinds of discussions. I’m just a BG2 fan who never ceases to be amazed at how incapable much of the BG2 modding community seems to be at working out their differences. The road to diplomacy is there. But no one seems to care or be interested.

Now that we have established that IA players are living, breathing, *thinking* human beings, maybe you can read what SimDingO *actually wrote.* He isn't attacking you. He isn't attacking IA. He isn't saying you aren't real. So what has that got do with communication between modders?

I don’t feel that I’m being attacked in the slightest by SimDing0. I “get” his sarcasm. Again, my comments aren’t prompted only by this particular discussion. I’m commenting on the years of bickering that has gone on between a lot these individuals, which has everything to do with communication between modders.

Guys like SimDing0 contribute by putting the bait out there, because he knows others will be compelled to chomp on that bait, as they always do. I’m sure he gets an absolute rise out of that. And before you know it, there’s a multi-thousand word response out there picking his post apart. And it just goes downhill from there. Rinse and repeat every couple of months, ad infinitum, ad nauseam.

Acutally, SimDingO has a point in the thread above. G3 modders have generally stayed out of the discussion once the original poster's questions were answered, and have certainly not indulged in any of the swearing. Those were folks from elsewhere. Some of them were even from here! Anyway, CD closed the sandbox until the kids can play nice.

Again, I’m not at all attacking G3 modders, or necessarily making a statement about one BG2 modding community over another. My comments are directed toward the individuals who’ve been keeping the freak show going for years, regardless of what modding community(ies) they claim to belong to.

This stuff is entertaining, I will give you that.

This post has been edited by Marceror: Sep 14 2007, 07:00 PM