Imoen's dialogue lines, which relate to thieving Options

[Sikret]

Hi, all

Since Imoen is going to change to a sorceress, I want to change all of her dialogue lines in the vanilla game in which she probably refers to herself as a thief or talks about own thieving skills. If you know when and where she has some such lines in the game let me know. If you can also send me the exact wordings of what she says in each case, you will save much of my time and will help me release the mod sooner.

Thanks in advance

EDIT: Of course, I don't expect one single person to find and send all those lines to me. If you can remember even one dialogue in which Imoen refers to herself as thief, don't hesitate to send it. I can perform a search in an editor, but I may easily miss some of the lines if I use the wrong searching key words to detect each of them.

This post has been edited by Sikret: Jul 25 2007, 12:41 PM

[Sikret]

1- Role playing has little to do with "stats". If you start the game with a paladin or a ranger protagonist, you will usually (almost always) have a protagonist with a low intelligence score. But will you think of your protagonist as a dumb or a half-witted person during the game? Will you role-play him as if he is an idiot just because he has low INT? Of course, not. (Actually, your protagonist says and does some brilliant and ingenious things during the game that IF role-playing was dependant on stats, those brilliant things could not be said or done by a character with an INT lower than 18. The point, however, is that role-playing a character doesn't depend on the character's stats. The same is true in P&P AD&D. If you role bad dice for your character's INT, it doesn't mean that you have to play the game like an idiot and if you say something brilliant and ingenious during the game, your DM will not say that he doesn't accept that sentence because your character's INT is 10! If it was so, noone would want to continue a game after roling bad dice for his INT. In other words, you don't need to allow your character's stats to hinder your imagination and role-playing style.)

2- Moreover, you do not actually role-play Imoen in the game. Imoen's dialogues are all written for her and you have no choice or option about what she says. You only role-play your protagonist.

3- There is nothing in the game (no dialogue, banters, etc...) about Imoen which may have any contradiction with her high WIS and STR.

4- Similarly, there is nothing in the game which necessitates that Imoen should have high CHA or INT.

5- Some players have made a subjective personal picture of Imoen in their own minds. They can try to re-build a new picture. As I said, there is no concrete evidence in the game which says that Imoen should have low WIS and STR or high CHA and INT.

6- My own personal (and admittedly subjective) impression of Imoen's personality has always been that she is not really a good choice for leadership. Hence, a low CHA seems even to make more sense.

7- For those who are concerned with questions such as "how could Imoen's stats change so radically in BG2 compared to BG1?", magic is the answer. When you wear a giant strength girdle or drink such a potion, magic increases your strength (without any need to do exercise similar to what we need to do in RL to increase our strength).

For the abovementioned reasons, the role-playing considerations are spelled out. The only true criterion we have is "efficiency". As I said before (and some of you agreed) if I'm going to make Imoen a sorcerer, I wouldn't make her an incompetent sorcerer. If she is going to be incompetent I will still prefer to make a custom sorcerer in the game.

So, let's start examining her stats and see how can we optimize them for an efficient sorceress:

Her DEX and CON are both fine in the vanilla game. We don't need to touch them.

Wisdom is the most crucial factor which shouldn't be less than 18.

Strength stands next. A strength of 17 is enough because it gives the +1 bonus to THAC0. THAC0 bonus is more important than damage bonus. So, we don't need to increase it to 18, because 18 gives the same THAC0 bonus that 17 gives.

So far, the following stats are fixed:

STR: 17
WIS: 18
DEX: 18
CON: 16

Now we need to distribute the remaining 18 points between INT and CHA. If we divide them equally, both will be set at 9. However, luan made a good suggestion and said that we can give some extra points to Imoen, I agree, but I'm not going to exaggerate using this suggestion. Since INT is a tad more useful than CHA, I will add one point to her INT. The final stats would be:

STR: 17
INT: 10
WIS: 18
DEX: 18
CON: 16
CHA: 9

Of course, it's needless to mention that you can edit her stats in your local game using Shadow Keeper or any other editor. You can even SK Imoen back to her thief/mage class if you are more comfortable with the situation in the vanilla game (having two identical NPCs), but if you decide to change Imoen back to thief/mage there is an important point which you should have in mind:

If you change back Imoen to thief/mage, you will also have to erase "Ray of Fragmentation" from her spellbook. The scrolls of this new spell are quite rare inside the game. As a sorceress, it is acceptable that she has picked the spell, but if you change her back to a mage, you will need to find the scroll of this spell for her.

Please, also note that this thread was not originally about Imoen's stats. It was rather about dialogue lines which need to be changed. So, please just send me any dialogue lines which you thikn I may have missed to fix and still requires fixing (i.e. any dialogue line about thieving and such things).

Important note: The discussion about the stats is over. No more comments on this issue, please. This thread is for the dialogue lines only; stay on-topic.

This post has been edited by Sikret: Aug 8 2007, 01:10 PM