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Jul 25 2007, 12:10 PM
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The Tactician ![]() Distinguished Developer Posts: 7794 Joined: 1-December 05 |
Hi, all
Since Imoen is going to change to a sorceress, I want to change all of her dialogue lines in the vanilla game in which she probably refers to herself as a thief or talks about own thieving skills. If you know when and where she has some such lines in the game let me know. If you can also send me the exact wordings of what she says in each case, you will save much of my time and will help me release the mod sooner. Thanks in advance EDIT: Of course, I don't expect one single person to find and send all those lines to me. If you can remember even one dialogue in which Imoen refers to herself as thief, don't hesitate to send it. I can perform a search in an editor, but I may easily miss some of the lines if I use the wrong searching key words to detect each of them. This post has been edited by Sikret: Jul 25 2007, 12:41 PM -------------------- Improved Anvil
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Aug 2 2007, 08:52 AM
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Forum Member Posts: 53 Joined: 22-November 05 From: Córdoba (Spain) |
I understand that your desire of giving her a STR of 17 is due to the fact that then she can fight against Golems more properly (with the new spells and the apropiate staff) and that the 18 score in WIS is for her to cast Wish correctly (mainly to refresh spells) but then again I disagree, and I'll tell you why:
-Not every player will choose Wish as a spell, because they don't like it, they use different tactics or as someone else said, it is a long spell in terms of casting time. So, if for example I'm not planning to use Wish, why I need a WIS of 18? I could benefit more of a 16 CHA and some store discount then. By the way, CHA is the prime requisite for Sorcerers, no? (Yes, I know that it actually doesn't have any effect) So giving her a CHA lesser than let's say 14 or 15 makes no sense (almost every NPC has his/her prime class stat as higher as possible in Vanilla). -Again, and with the difficult battles ahead I don't think that much people, or well, let's just talk about me, will put her in front of a bunch of golems to try and hit them with the staff. I see Aerie more suitable to destroy a Golem with those staves. As a Cleric/Mage she will level up at a lesser rate than Imoen but will end with better THAC0, and as some people has told they could use any Strengh enhancing spell (from the Cleric pool if the Mage one is buggy). Giving her that high STR puts her totally away from Character and is kind of forcing players to give her a staff and sending her to fight in melee. And talking a little more about Aerie, she already have a WIS of 16, more suitable for Wish. I again ask you to leave her as similar as her original self as possible and then let us decide the right tactics to use with her as a Sorcerer. In my opinion, using her as a buffer/debuffer and a little as a Golem disabler with VT and the new spells is more than enough, no? I must clarify that even if my post/writting/tone may seem hostile it is nothing of the sort. I like these forums very much. I support IA as one of the most exciting mods, but that doesn't mean that I have to agree with everything, no? Well Sikret, you have the last word, of course, and we will accept it. Cheers! This post has been edited by Magnus_025: Aug 2 2007, 08:54 AM |
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Aug 2 2007, 07:12 PM
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Forum Member Posts: 154 Joined: 8-May 07 From: Germany |
[...] By the way, CHA is the prime requisite for Sorcerers, no? (Yes, I know that it actually doesn't have any effect) So giving her a CHA lesser than let's say 14 or 15 makes no sense (almost every NPC has his/her prime class stat as higher as possible in Vanilla). [...] Only in D&D 3.0 and 3.5, afair. AD&D on which BG is based doesn't even have a sorcerer class, iirc. Well... what's left? Ah right. I agree with Sikret: if Imoen is going to be a sorcerer in IA she should be an efficient one. This post has been edited by Arkain: Aug 2 2007, 07:17 PM |
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Sikret Imoen's dialogue lines Jul 25 2007, 12:10 PM
aVENGER In ToB, Imoen has a banter with Keldorn where she ... Jul 25 2007, 01:08 PM
Sikret Thanks a million, aVENGER!
Since Keldorn... Jul 25 2007, 01:39 PM
thetruth Sikret download the NPC Interactions Guide by Dave... Jul 25 2007, 03:41 PM
berelinde How will this change be implemented? I'm not a... Jul 26 2007, 11:58 AM
Sikret @thetruth
Thank you so very much for the link.
@b... Jul 26 2007, 02:42 PM
berelinde Conceptual incompatibilities don't worry me, o... Jul 26 2007, 03:44 PM
Magnus_025 I believe that concerning to Imoen's dialog th... Jul 31 2007, 09:27 AM
Sikret Thanks, Magnus!
I have performed a through se... Jul 31 2007, 09:33 AM
Magnus_025 Glad to help!
Unfortunately I can't do th... Jul 31 2007, 09:48 AM
Sikret If you can at least give the exact wording, I will... Jul 31 2007, 10:34 AM
lroumen The cookie conversation isn't really related t... Aug 1 2007, 07:38 AM
Magnus_025 It seems that I was mistaken then. Thanks for find... Aug 1 2007, 09:29 AM
lroumen Well, you weren't completely mistaken there :... Aug 1 2007, 09:53 AM
Sikret The changes I have so far applied (in addition to ... Aug 1 2007, 10:22 AM
luan 4-Imoen to Protagonist
Just an idea:
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5- Imoe... Aug 1 2007, 01:58 PM
Sikret Thank you, luan!
As you suggested, I'll a... Aug 1 2007, 02:10 PM
lroumen "the" is redundant in this sentence. You... Aug 1 2007, 02:23 PM
Sikret Thanks for the grammatical point about the redunda... Aug 1 2007, 02:55 PM
luan I don't view charisma so much as only personal... Aug 1 2007, 02:59 PM
lroumen Ah yes, there's also the persuasion part of ch... Aug 1 2007, 03:15 PM
Raven Sikret, IMO a Str 17 is not particularly useful fo... Aug 1 2007, 03:15 PM
lroumen Sikret, IMO a Str 17 is not particularly useful fo... Aug 1 2007, 03:19 PM
Sikret Sikret, IMO a Str 17 is not particularly useful fo... Aug 1 2007, 03:27 PM
Raven I agree with Iroumen's stat distribution but I... Aug 1 2007, 05:07 PM
kulyok If you're changing her so much, maybe it's... Aug 1 2007, 03:16 PM
lroumen
Something like:
Strength: 9
Dexterity: 18
Cons... Aug 1 2007, 03:33 PM
Arkain Sorcerers are mage types. She should be able to us... Aug 1 2007, 03:53 PM
Magnus_025 I agree with some redistribution of her stars, but... Aug 1 2007, 05:47 PM
lroumen With these stats she can have more chances to make... Aug 1 2007, 08:44 PM
Ardanis IIRC IA removes those potions. Or, to be more prec... Aug 1 2007, 06:05 PM
Clown
I quite agree with this sentiment, have loved ev... Aug 1 2007, 07:21 PM
luan Just want to say I like Iroumen or Raven's pro... Aug 1 2007, 08:24 PM
Raven @ Magnus, Iroumen
Just to clarify, Sikret's o... Aug 1 2007, 09:22 PM
Sikret Thanks for the comments, everyone!
I assure y... Aug 2 2007, 07:52 AM
lroumen @Raven & Sikret.
I knew that she would only c... Aug 2 2007, 11:12 AM
Sikret Just some quick replies:
@Magnus:
1- Aerie can... Aug 2 2007, 02:10 PM
lroumen Okay, that's all fair enough. I'm looking ... Aug 2 2007, 03:31 PM
Ardanis To turn bright nice Imoen into a grunt with the he... Aug 2 2007, 07:18 PM
Providence To turn bright nice Imoen into a grunt with the he... Aug 2 2007, 09:21 PM
Raven To turn bright nice Imoen into a grunt with the he... Aug 3 2007, 10:47 AM
Providence Nobody is saying you have to use Imoen that way. I... Aug 3 2007, 10:56 AM
Magnus_025 @Sikret: Ok! So I will not fear to awake your ... Aug 2 2007, 08:20 PM
lroumen And you can always change her back in your own gam... Aug 3 2007, 11:04 AM
Providence And you can always change her back in your own gam... Aug 3 2007, 11:24 AM
Baronius I can't find it in this thread, what are the f... Aug 3 2007, 11:32 AM
lroumen Imoen Vanilla BG2:
Strength: 9
Dexterity: 18
Const... Aug 3 2007, 12:07 PM
Magnus_025 An idea from me? Whoah, I'm actually doing som... Aug 3 2007, 12:13 PM
Baronius
I agree, higher charisma (14) and intelligence of... Aug 3 2007, 12:36 PM
Sikret 1- Role playing has little to do with "stats... Aug 4 2007, 12:58 PM
lroumen An INT score of 9-12 equals the normal IQ of 100. ... Aug 5 2007, 09:26 AM![]() ![]() |
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