Imoen's dialogue lines, which relate to thieving Options

[Sikret]

Hi, all

Since Imoen is going to change to a sorceress, I want to change all of her dialogue lines in the vanilla game in which she probably refers to herself as a thief or talks about own thieving skills. If you know when and where she has some such lines in the game let me know. If you can also send me the exact wordings of what she says in each case, you will save much of my time and will help me release the mod sooner.

Thanks in advance

EDIT: Of course, I don't expect one single person to find and send all those lines to me. If you can remember even one dialogue in which Imoen refers to herself as thief, don't hesitate to send it. I can perform a search in an editor, but I may easily miss some of the lines if I use the wrong searching key words to detect each of them.

This post has been edited by Sikret: Jul 25 2007, 12:41 PM

[lroumen]

@Raven & Sikret.
I knew that she would only change in spellhold, but I guess from my post it doesn't seem like I did. I was actually just thinking out loud the summary of things to pass. I do that sometimes... I shouldn't, lol.



I think the road from thief-> thief/mage -> sorceress seems okay if you take into account the transfer between the second to the third and somewhat justify it through banter. That would even justify that she has some wizard spells known in Irenicus Dungeon because she's just "learning". And in the end when you've come to rescue her, she will have figured out (with some torture help from Irenicus) that she doesn't have to write spells in a book (wizard), but has the powers to know them by heart (sorceress). Wisdom gained so to speak, so a justified stat-change as well (and a very mild decrease in intelligence or charisma if you want.. charisma because she's more doomlike, intelligence... nothing comes to mind). You can also add into the banter that she's found a better way to play tricks on people and has given up on thieving. And if Imoen regains her soulfire when you defeat Bodhi, you might even add in some bonus for her as well (and maybe a piece lost when you let her give some essence to Sarevok).
I think that if you talk people through the profession change like that with some very nicely written banter, a lot more people could agree that yes, Imoen as a sorceress... that does seem to make sense in the end.


A solid change from thief -> thief/mage -> sorceress is well... storywise not strong at all, but it CAN be acceptible. You can imagine to start from a clean slate.... I mean, you can also choose to deny the familiarity of Minsc, Jaheira, Edwin (, Drizzt) and even Imoen herself in their starting banters, so from that point of view you don't even know what profession she used to be. I do not think that many people play it like that though and an immediate negation of her old thiefy-self would be much more of a shock than the scenario above (which was the original plan anyway).




About the Strength/melee thing. There are many options to increase her strength and I use these options quite often in-game.
- A girdle
- Strength scroll, Tenser's Transformation
- A Priest buffs her
- Normal Strength Potion (or is that removed too).

Furthermore, I think the times people would let Imoen sorceress spellspammer of Atkathla see hand-to-hand combat is still going to be nigh-zero. There are only few reasons why and when Imoen will see hand-to-hand combat that I can truly think of.
1. The party gets surprised from behind (following she will be buffed or even hidden, then possibly melee).
2. The player has prebuffed her a lot which is needed regardless of 17 strength.
3. She sneaks in Vampiric Touch a foe when that foe is already engaged with a true fighter from the party (or a summon). May need a buff or a safe contingency at least (though people have that most of the time).

I think I will probably fool around with her abilities anyway and let her go melee a few times, but I will probably buff her a lot and a strength buff is just one more buff, so that's no problem. I don't think she needs the big strength bonus even if she were a child of Bhaal, since there are already other options to increase her strength. You could give her a few points to say 11 or 12 if you like, just for Bhaal-child aestetics but that's not truly needed. There are surely Bhaalspawn that were born to a frail mother and thus their children are more frail as well.
Furthermore, she already gets the Fracture Golem spell (or other name) which if I understood doesn't need to be cast from touch range, so she can still help tackle golems quite well. If one Protagonist is a mage she will probably never even lift that golemsmasher staff, but if a player wants her to use it s/he'll probably be buffing her anyway with gear or spells.

I think the Wisdom increase is more justified, since there are no wisdom buffing potions anymore and you can learn something from the torturing/awakening, and I agree with Magnus that a low Charisma for a sorceress doesn't make much sense, even if it doesn't do anything for the spells in-game.


Just some thoughts.