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Sikret
post Jul 25 2007, 12:10 PM
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Hi, all

Since Imoen is going to change to a sorceress, I want to change all of her dialogue lines in the vanilla game in which she probably refers to herself as a thief or talks about own thieving skills. If you know when and where she has some such lines in the game let me know. If you can also send me the exact wordings of what she says in each case, you will save much of my time and will help me release the mod sooner.

Thanks in advance

EDIT: Of course, I don't expect one single person to find and send all those lines to me. If you can remember even one dialogue in which Imoen refers to herself as thief, don't hesitate to send it. I can perform a search in an editor, but I may easily miss some of the lines if I use the wrong searching key words to detect each of them.

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Sikret
post Aug 2 2007, 07:52 AM
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Thanks for the comments, everyone!

I assure you that I am considering all suggestions, but you also surely know that there are many factors that I should consider before accepting any suggestion. Not to mention that there are certain things (both in the vanilla game and in IA) that I may be aware of while you may have not known or may have just forgotten.

Now a few remarks:

1- Intelligence is not a useful stat for a sorcerer, whereas wisodm is most important. So giving here an INT of 15 or more seems quite waste of points.

2- My original plan was to make Imoen a sorceress just after you meet her in spellhold, but later other factors and considerations made me change the plan. She will be a sorceress from the beginning. Hence, there is actually no change in her stats. Whatever stats we assign to her will be her default stats. There is no need to seek justification for why experiments in spellhold may have changed her stats, beause the stats have not actually changed.

3- Introducing a new NPC is out of question and quite irrelevant. The idea of changing Imoen's class was due to the fact that the vanilla game (absurdly) had two identical NPCs. Introducing a new NPC will not solve the mentioned problem.

4- As for "strength" spell, it has actually a problem which makes it a rather bad spell. It always overrides other items' bonuses to strength (regardless of the order). For example, if you have a character with girdle of giant strength, casting "Strength" spell on him will actually decrease her strength. And this regardless of the order, which means that even if you cast the spell before wearing the girdle, it's the "Strength" spell which will again take precedence. Also, the difference of THAC0 and damage bonus between 17 and 18/50 strength is slim. Having a permanent 17 str is much more reliable than having a temporary and unstable str of 18/50.

5- luan's suggestion that Imoen's total stats can be a bit more than those of the vanilla game seems a very good suggestion to me. I can keep her 18 wisdom and 17 str and also give her a minimum charisma and intelligence higher than 9.

I need to think more. Comments are welcome.


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Sikret   Imoen's dialogue lines   Jul 25 2007, 12:10 PM
aVENGER   In ToB, Imoen has a banter with Keldorn where she ...   Jul 25 2007, 01:08 PM
Sikret   Thanks a million, aVENGER! Since Keldorn...   Jul 25 2007, 01:39 PM
thetruth   Sikret download the NPC Interactions Guide by Dave...   Jul 25 2007, 03:41 PM
berelinde   How will this change be implemented? I'm not a...   Jul 26 2007, 11:58 AM
Sikret   @thetruth Thank you so very much for the link. @b...   Jul 26 2007, 02:42 PM
berelinde   Conceptual incompatibilities don't worry me, o...   Jul 26 2007, 03:44 PM
Magnus_025   I believe that concerning to Imoen's dialog th...   Jul 31 2007, 09:27 AM
Sikret   Thanks, Magnus! I have performed a through se...   Jul 31 2007, 09:33 AM
Magnus_025   Glad to help! Unfortunately I can't do th...   Jul 31 2007, 09:48 AM
Sikret   If you can at least give the exact wording, I will...   Jul 31 2007, 10:34 AM
lroumen   The cookie conversation isn't really related t...   Aug 1 2007, 07:38 AM
Magnus_025   It seems that I was mistaken then. Thanks for find...   Aug 1 2007, 09:29 AM
lroumen   Well, you weren't completely mistaken there :...   Aug 1 2007, 09:53 AM
Sikret   The changes I have so far applied (in addition to ...   Aug 1 2007, 10:22 AM
luan   4-Imoen to Protagonist Just an idea: ---- 5- Imoe...   Aug 1 2007, 01:58 PM
Sikret   Thank you, luan! As you suggested, I'll a...   Aug 1 2007, 02:10 PM
lroumen   "the" is redundant in this sentence. You...   Aug 1 2007, 02:23 PM
Sikret   Thanks for the grammatical point about the redunda...   Aug 1 2007, 02:55 PM
luan   I don't view charisma so much as only personal...   Aug 1 2007, 02:59 PM
lroumen   Ah yes, there's also the persuasion part of ch...   Aug 1 2007, 03:15 PM
Raven   Sikret, IMO a Str 17 is not particularly useful fo...   Aug 1 2007, 03:15 PM
lroumen   Sikret, IMO a Str 17 is not particularly useful fo...   Aug 1 2007, 03:19 PM
Sikret   Sikret, IMO a Str 17 is not particularly useful fo...   Aug 1 2007, 03:27 PM
Raven   I agree with Iroumen's stat distribution but I...   Aug 1 2007, 05:07 PM
kulyok   If you're changing her so much, maybe it's...   Aug 1 2007, 03:16 PM
lroumen   Something like: Strength: 9 Dexterity: 18 Cons...   Aug 1 2007, 03:33 PM
Arkain   Sorcerers are mage types. She should be able to us...   Aug 1 2007, 03:53 PM
Magnus_025   I agree with some redistribution of her stars, but...   Aug 1 2007, 05:47 PM
lroumen   With these stats she can have more chances to make...   Aug 1 2007, 08:44 PM
Ardanis   IIRC IA removes those potions. Or, to be more prec...   Aug 1 2007, 06:05 PM
Clown   I quite agree with this sentiment, have loved ev...   Aug 1 2007, 07:21 PM
luan   Just want to say I like Iroumen or Raven's pro...   Aug 1 2007, 08:24 PM
Raven   @ Magnus, Iroumen Just to clarify, Sikret's o...   Aug 1 2007, 09:22 PM
Sikret   Thanks for the comments, everyone! I assure y...   Aug 2 2007, 07:52 AM
Magnus_025   I understand that your desire of giving her a STR ...   Aug 2 2007, 08:52 AM
Arkain   [...] By the way, CHA is the prime requisite for S...   Aug 2 2007, 07:12 PM
lroumen   @Raven & Sikret. I knew that she would only c...   Aug 2 2007, 11:12 AM
Sikret   Just some quick replies: @Magnus: 1- Aerie can...   Aug 2 2007, 02:10 PM
lroumen   Okay, that's all fair enough. I'm looking ...   Aug 2 2007, 03:31 PM
Ardanis   To turn bright nice Imoen into a grunt with the he...   Aug 2 2007, 07:18 PM
Providence   To turn bright nice Imoen into a grunt with the he...   Aug 2 2007, 09:21 PM
Raven   To turn bright nice Imoen into a grunt with the he...   Aug 3 2007, 10:47 AM
Providence   Nobody is saying you have to use Imoen that way. I...   Aug 3 2007, 10:56 AM
Magnus_025   @Sikret: Ok! So I will not fear to awake your ...   Aug 2 2007, 08:20 PM
lroumen   And you can always change her back in your own gam...   Aug 3 2007, 11:04 AM
Providence   And you can always change her back in your own gam...   Aug 3 2007, 11:24 AM
Baronius   I can't find it in this thread, what are the f...   Aug 3 2007, 11:32 AM
lroumen   Imoen Vanilla BG2: Strength: 9 Dexterity: 18 Const...   Aug 3 2007, 12:07 PM
Magnus_025   An idea from me? Whoah, I'm actually doing som...   Aug 3 2007, 12:13 PM
Baronius   I agree, higher charisma (14) and intelligence of...   Aug 3 2007, 12:36 PM
Sikret   1- Role playing has little to do with "stats...   Aug 4 2007, 12:58 PM
lroumen   An INT score of 9-12 equals the normal IQ of 100. ...   Aug 5 2007, 09:26 AM


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