The dreaded G3 Fixpack Options

[Arkain]

Hi.

Well, to make a long story short: why is it not recommended? I'm curious why this fixpack seems to be the reason for many bugs or other problems. Because it's poorly modded? Because of the methods used to actually "fix" things? Something else?

[Caedwyr]

Sikret:

As a slightly offtopicness, but does the alignment changing aspect of the fixpack and oversight, and a couple of other mods most likely affect spells that are targetted/affect certain alignments and not others? If the effect of alignments is significant enough to make a mod that changes as one of the components (possibly among others) them incompatible, then wouldn't it be better to manually set the alignments of the NPCs that you want to be set a certain way, and then you won't have to worry about the scripts not working correctly? As I understand it, IA is supposed to be installed last, so it should be fairly simple to make a list and patch them to your preference.

Otherwise, you end up with a situation where Holy Smite doesn't work on Irenicus in the final battle, because he's still using the Elminster template and is a chaotic good human.

This post has been edited by Caedwyr: Jul 30 2007, 06:39 PM

[Sikret]

If the effect of alignments is significant enough to make a mod that changes as one of the components (possibly among others) them incompatible, then wouldn't it be better to manually set the alignments of the NPCs that you want to be set a certain way, and then you won't have to worry about the scripts not working correctly?

No, it's not reasonable. As I have said before, I don't presume that players have installed a mod which has changed things in a bad way; and hence, I won't code to make my mod compatible with such mods. If a creature has alignment x in the vanilla game, why should I add an unnecessary command (consequently an unnecessary and redundant file in the players' override folder) to assigning the very same alignment (i.e. alignment x) to that creature again? (also read luan's post.)

Moreover, they are many creatures. It's absurd to expect me to add hundreds of lines to my mod just to make it compatible with another mod which has other problems as well. Not to mentione that I'm sure that all of the serious and true players of IA (i.e. those who actually play the mod rather than just spending time in the forum) do install Baldurdash fixpack and avoid BG2 fixpack and they don't need any such compatibility measurements with a mod which they never install.

Otherwise, you end up with a situation where Holy Smite doesn't work on Irenicus in the final battle, because he's still using the Elminster template and is a chaotic good human.

Not necessarily. I have changed some people's alignment to "evil" in IA. IA is not a fixpack and can tweak creatures' alignments for its needs. The Holy Smite thing on Irenicus is of course pointless here as Irenicus is improved by IA and is so powerful that Holy Smite is a joke for him regardless of his alignment.

And for a bit of humor, I still think that Irenicus shouldn't have an ogre sound-set in the final SoA battle. "Me crush you to goo!" isn't exactly what I was expecting as a taunt from Jon at the climax of the game.

His sound-set is changed in Improved Anvil.

PS: As a side note, isn't it meaningful that all of the defenders of BG2 Fixpack here, just pretend that they don't see my posts about BG2 fixpackers not testing their mod properly before releasing it? (when something has no answer people prefer to pretend that they don't see it instead of being honest and write: "Sikret, you are right in regard to this point (at least)."

This post has been edited by Sikret: Jul 31 2007, 07:18 AM