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 Jul 28 2007, 06:22 PM
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Forum Member Posts: 154 Joined: 8-May 07 From: Germany  |
Hi.
Well, to make a long story short: why is it not recommended? I'm curious why this fixpack seems to be the reason for many bugs or other problems. Because it's poorly modded? Because of the methods used to actually "fix" things? Something else? |
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Jul 29 2007, 10:42 AM
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 The Tactician  Distinguished Developer Posts: 7793 Joined: 1-December 05 |
QUOTE(Arkain @ Jul 28 2007, 10:52 PM)  Hi. Well, to make a long story short: why is it not recommended? I'm curious why this fixpack seems to be the reason for many bugs or other problems. Because it's poorly modded? Because of the methods used to actually "fix" things? Something else? We have two questions here: 1- Why is it not recommended? 2- Why is it source of bugs? A third question is: Is it incompatible with IA? The answers: QUOTE Why is it source of bugs? There are two viewpoints here: Do you test your mod thoroughly before releasing it or do you release your mod first and then wait for players to test it and send reports to you? I follow the first philosophy in Improved Anvil (hence you see absolutely no critical bug reports in IA's forum); they follow the second philosophy. QUOTE Why is it not recommended? First, because it is bugged. Second, because it confuses between "fix" and "tweak". QUOTE Is it incompatible with IA? Upto IA v4.2, it was not listed as "strictly incompatible", it was just listed as "Not recommended". But once IA v4.3 is released, it will be listed as "incompatible", because of its changes to alignments which can break some of IA's scripts. This post has been edited by Sikret: Jul 29 2007, 10:46 AM -------------------- Improved Anvil
 Cheating is not confined to using external software or the console commands. Abusing the flaws and limitations of the game engine to do something that a human Dungeon Master would not accept or allow is cheating. |
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Jul 29 2007, 11:41 AM
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Forum Member Posts: 1366 Joined: 22-August 04 From: Germany |
Sikret, your post is exactly what I meant with "prejudice", or call it rumour, or attitude. It is the same level as "IA breaks Cromwell's upgrade dialogue", a statement without any examples or proof.
Baronius, your post is more what I was hoping for, although it is so long I am not sure when I will be able to read it thoroughly. |
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Jul 29 2007, 11:53 AM
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The Tactician Distinguished Developer Posts: 7793 Joined: 1-December 05 |
QUOTE(jastey @ Jul 29 2007, 04:11 PM) Sikret, your post is exactly what I meant with "prejudice", or call it rumour, or attitude. It is the same level as "IA breaks Cromwell's upgrade dialogue", a statement without any examples or proof. Examples are plenty for those who want to see: If you seek examples for bugs in BG2 Fixpack, lots of them can be found in different forums (the bug with wish spell in its previous version, the bug with "Friends" spell in its recent version are just two of them). If you seek examples for something else (other than bugs), then I'm not sure what you are looking for. Just note that I agree that it's natural for any mod to have bugs. What I'm talking about is the attitude of "mistaking players for testers". Once someone (who is one of the main members of BG2 fixpack team) told me that he doesn't need to test anything in practice, because just by looking to a code, he can say whether it will work fine or not! This arrogant attitude is the source of bugs which could have been otherwise detected before release. -------------------- Improved Anvil
Cheating is not confined to using external software or the console commands. Abusing the flaws and limitations of the game engine to do something that a human Dungeon Master would not accept or allow is cheating. |
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Arkain The dreaded G3 Fixpack Jul 28 2007, 06:22 PM
Magnus_025 I don't know the whole bunch of reasons becaus... Jul 28 2007, 10:34 PM jastey I would recommend also posing this question in the... Jul 28 2007, 10:35 PM Arkain @Magus_025
I'm asking out of curiosity, not be... Jul 29 2007, 12:40 AM cmorgan Regardless of reason, if a modder states he is des... Jul 29 2007, 02:07 AM Baronius We have our reasons, indeed. I really don't kn... Jul 29 2007, 03:35 AM Baronius
I'm sorry about that jastey, but if you unde... Jul 29 2007, 04:29 PM lroumen The problem is that many mods are just aging, wher... Jul 29 2007, 07:04 PM
Sikret The problem is that many mods are just aging, wher... Jul 30 2007, 12:48 PM Baronius Iroumen, you got the point. What you listed are di... Jul 29 2007, 07:37 PM lroumen (Remember Symbol of Amaunator. Isn't it a part... Jul 29 2007, 08:30 PM Baronius On a side note:
http://forums.gibberlings3.net/in... Jul 29 2007, 08:29 PM Baronius Thanks for pointing out. I'll use this opportu... Jul 29 2007, 08:50 PM Baronius By the way, the latest daily news, the (non-beta... Jul 29 2007, 09:19 PM luan I didn't know there was so much drama behind t... Jul 29 2007, 11:46 PM Caedwyr I definately have to second Baronius here. I... Jul 30 2007, 05:04 AM Caedwyr Sikret:
As a slightly offtopicness, but does the ... Jul 30 2007, 05:02 PM Sikret If the effect of alignments is significant enough ... Jul 31 2007, 05:36 AM Sikret I opened the topic again temporarily just to make ... Aug 5 2007, 11:44 AM Baronius Caedwyr:
Of course the question was directed to S... Jul 30 2007, 05:50 PM Caedwyr You misunderstand me. From what Sikret wrote, I t... Jul 30 2007, 06:20 PM berelinde I was just about to post the I *HATE* this fix... Jul 30 2007, 06:27 PM Baronius You still don't get it. ALL such changes shoul... Jul 30 2007, 06:59 PM luan It is reasonable to expect modders to ensure compa... Jul 30 2007, 07:47 PM Baronius
Exactly. FP creators could say: but fixpack's... Jul 30 2007, 07:54 PM Sikret One more point which is worth mentioning is that p... Jul 31 2007, 06:44 AM Januszka Not my business, but who cares anyway? If you dont... Jul 31 2007, 08:23 AM Sikret Not my business, but who cares anyway? If you dont... Jul 31 2007, 08:34 AM |
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