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(Ø=M)^42
post Jun 21 2007, 03:00 PM
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Hello everyone.
I've finally managed to outsmart my evil email spamfilter, and thus completed my registration here. I'm very interested in IA, but I'm not sure I'm fit for it yet. I've never modded bg more than using tutu, so I don't have any experience of improved encounters. When I fight mages, I throw on some Breach and other similar spells, send fighters on and hope I kill them. From what I've read, IA mages will be just a tidbit harder to kill, using SI:abjuration and massive protections. I'm mostly wondering if there's any point in trying if I'm not sufficiently skilled in tactical bg fighting. Reloading a few times to polish a way to do a battle is of course ok, but really banging my head on a wall would drain the fun quite fast.

Due to that concern, I've also tried to get some ideas to help me out. I'd consider playing on a quite easy difficulty setting, and possibly using multiplayer, to get more powerful characters like kensai, ranger/cleric, swashbuckler, sorcerer and so on. I do view myself as a skilled gamer, but I'm just not fully attuned to bg. Hmm.. getting messy. Well, what I'm asking for is mostly tips for a newbie at IA, stuff like suggested group setup, anything similar to smart moves like having lots of Ruby Rays memorized. Maybe even a suggestion for good starting quests.

Big hugs and love goes out to everyone for helping me get into IA <3

Øystein

Edit: For what it's worth, I used Marvin^42 on SP, since that forum didn't allow for one or more of the characters in this name tongue.gif

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Arkain
post Jun 22 2007, 03:07 PM
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Yup, AC is really irrelevant. I had Keldorn run around with -24 (cap wink.gif) and he was still frequently hit.

On the other hand I wouldn't suggest using a kensai. Kensais get insane bonuses to THAC0 and damage... but what for? You will still deal minimal damage, because enemies tend to have resistances (either naturally or via spells... or both wink.gif).
You don't really need two multiclassed clerics either. R/C and F/C have two classes both... but eventually the R/C will become more powerful, because he has more spells and the F/C doesn't get grand mastery (without mods, that is). So it would be somewhat pointless. You could go with another F/M for example.
The F/T isn't that useful either, imho. A thief isn't really necessary (I didn't have one in ToB anymore wink.gif) and the bonuses the F/T gets aren't too great. Think about it: many enemies are immune to backstab. All traps but time traps are quite useless. And even the mighty time trap isn't *that* useful later on. You could make this character a F/M/T, for example. This way you would still have thieving abilites, including UAI of course, and combine them with a F/M's tanking power. Well, you would level slower of course... but it might be worth it. Personally I've played with a F/M/C protagonist and she was one of my top killers wink.gif and the most important healer (+ only cleric) even though it's a triple class (read: levels slower). Although one should keep in mind that the protagonist gets the most exp.

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post Jun 23 2007, 12:34 AM
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@(Ø=M)^42

It's a good party though I would never change the R/C with a pure Cleric or a Kensai.
As it is now you have only the F/I who can have Stoneskins (and the Sorcerer but he is not a tank).

Anyway it is still doable though you will have a harder time against the toughest enemies of the mod.


@Arkain

QUOTE(Arkain @ Jun 22 2007, 05:07 PM) *

Yup, AC is really irrelevant. I had Keldorn run around with -24 (cap wink.gif) and he was still frequently hit.



Nope, good AC is not irrelevant at all.
It can make a big difference during the biggest part of the game.
Of course critical hits of enemies still get through but if you look at the THACO of most enemies modified by IA you will understand.



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On the other hand I wouldn't suggest using a kensai. Kensais get insane bonuses to THAC0 and damage... but what for? You will still deal minimal damage, because enemies tend to have resistances (either naturally or via spells... or both wink.gif).


Kensais are a good choice for IA. Not only because they will not need much Cr.Strike like other fighters, but they can damage more than any other class.

Physical resistance means that a x% of your potential dmg will be resisted. The Kensai who has the biggest dmg bonus in many case will do much more damage/round than any other fighter.




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You don't really need two multiclassed clerics either. R/C and F/C have two classes both... but eventually the R/C will become more powerful, because he has more spells and the F/C doesn't get grand mastery (without mods, that is). So it would be somewhat pointless. You could go with another F/M for example.


Yes for the second F/M.
But 2 multiclassed clerics pointless?

The Cleric HLAs are almost useless in IA. But a F/C will have GWWs, Critical Strike and Hardiness that can make a difference in the toughest battles of the mod.


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(Ø=M)^42   Yet another new guy at IA   Jun 21 2007, 03:00 PM
leonidas   Well personally, I played tactics before IA, and I...   Jun 21 2007, 03:30 PM
Vardaman   4. Do the thieves guild quest first, then the fal...   Jun 21 2007, 03:54 PM
Marceror   OP (don't think I'm even capable of typing...   Jun 21 2007, 03:32 PM
Clown   To add to Leonidas advice I would say make sure yo...   Jun 21 2007, 06:46 PM
(Ø=M)^42   Thanks for all the replies :) 6- Anomen- Greater...   Jun 21 2007, 07:14 PM
Arkain   Er... the Greater Restoration is for the instant h...   Jun 21 2007, 07:27 PM
Baronius   Kelsey is an NPC mod.   Jun 21 2007, 07:58 PM
(Ø=M)^42   Aha. That was my next guess. BTW, why is only Vagr...   Jun 21 2007, 08:38 PM
Sikret   Welcome to the forum, (Ø=M)^42! why is only...   Jun 24 2007, 01:26 PM
Arkain   Sikret moves in mysterious ways :D Yup. Multiclas...   Jun 21 2007, 08:58 PM
thetruth   Welcome to BWL (Ø=M)^42 (heh though I would prefe...   Jun 22 2007, 01:22 AM
(Ø=M)^42   I'm afraid of getting stuck due to not using o...   Jun 22 2007, 08:46 AM
thetruth   I'm afraid of getting stuck due to not using ...   Jun 22 2007, 10:38 AM
Clown   While that set-up is strong and will probably work...   Jun 22 2007, 10:18 AM
Stu   My party exactly Marvin! (well when I dual my ...   Jun 22 2007, 10:21 AM
(Ø=M)^42   I need to finish up my ongoing multiplayer game be...   Jun 22 2007, 11:18 AM
thetruth   I would go with Flails and Clubs for your R/C and ...   Jun 22 2007, 11:34 AM
leonidas   F/M is the best tank. Most fights you need either ...   Jun 22 2007, 11:41 AM
Arkain   Yup, AC is really irrelevant. I had Keldorn run ar...   Jun 22 2007, 03:07 PM
rbeverjr   Yup, AC is really irrelevant. I had Keldorn run a...   Jun 22 2007, 04:15 PM
Sikret   I do understand that the spell casting melee guys ...   Jun 23 2007, 01:53 PM
thetruth   @(Ø=M)^42 It's a good party though I would n...   Jun 23 2007, 12:34 AM
Arkain   [...] What about before you get many HLAs? What...   Jun 23 2007, 03:51 AM
thetruth   I admitted that already. I didn't take a look...   Jun 23 2007, 07:25 AM
rbeverjr   Oh and at level 21 (in terms of exp -> 325000...   Jun 23 2007, 12:50 PM
Sikret   Yes, in SOA portion of the game good AC counts ver...   Jun 22 2007, 04:34 PM
Arkain   Well... yeah. In SoA AC is very useful at times. B...   Jun 22 2007, 08:47 PM
rbeverjr   I generally don't have too much of a problem o...   Jun 22 2007, 10:49 PM
(Ø=M)^42   Critical Strike > GWW because crit = hit while ...   Jun 22 2007, 11:47 PM


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