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nataben1314
post Mar 4 2007, 08:59 AM
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It seems as though, judging from another and not having actually played the mod yet (waiting for v4), that mages are now in a situation where they are used almost totally for dispelling, immuning other characters, and creating summons. Would those in the know (esp. sikret/thetruth) agree with that? I'm not trying to imply that this is necessarily a negative if true, I'm just interested for the sake of future spell and party selection smile.gif

Speaking of party selection, do you think I'd be making things too hard for myself to make a party of single-class characters? I've always disliked multiclasses unless soloing, and am not too keen on having a party full of five fighter/x's and one ranger/cleric.

And on difficulty, I wonder if it would be possible to make a rough difficulty guide for the quests of chapters 2 and/or 6? What I envision is something like e.g. "windspear hills: level 9-13 minimum" or whatever. With all the new content its difficult for me to know which are the easier quests and which are the ones best left to chapter 6. And for a player of my (low) skill level, it is difficult to determine if you are losing a fight due to wrong tactics, or due to the fact that you're simply too low of a level for that fight. So a general quest difficulty guide (at least for chapters 2/6 where the game is not very linear, and maybe a minimum avg. level before going off to spellhold) would likely save me much frustration and/or lots of me making HELP threads tongue.gif

thanks, and I can't wait until v4.
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thetruth
post Apr 19 2007, 04:12 PM
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First of all IIRC you don't like much pure Arcane spellcasters (like me) and even if it's true that in IA4 the offensive power of Mages has been limited, only a F/M is not enough to cover your party's needs.

You will need another Mage mainly for buffs like I.Haste (the most useful spell in IA IMO), summons and debuffing spells.
Your F/M will not have enough 6 level spells since in some battles PfMWs will be essential like I.Haste is.

For me the best solution is to dual your Berserker immediately to Mage (at level 7). This way you will not miss at all Arcane spells since he will level up quickly.

For the 6th place I would take a F/T or a pure Swashbuckler (UAI as first HLA, then some Timetraps and GWW OR WW attacks - other traps are useless in IA).
This way you will not miss any melee power.

Thieves are not essential in IA but a F/T or a Swashie are much more than a simple Thief wink.gif

As about your protagonist, both Rangers and Mages get additional quests in IA.
Power-wise the F/M is better and if played correctly he will win many difficult battles by himself.
But the R/C is one of the most powerful classes as well, so both of them are a good choice for your PC.


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I'm playing with a wild mage protagonist for the first time, since I read comments (Sikret's I think) that they are potentially more powerful than sorcerors (on average - it depends if Nahal's Reckless Dweomer fires off those 9th level spells successfully).



The Wild Mage is the most powerful class in the original game or in a game with other tactical mods (Tactics,Ascension), BUT not in IA4 where the F/M is even more powerful IMO.

As about Wild Surges a high level Wild Mage can eliminate them with 3xImproved Chaos Shield in a CC, though I wouldn't recommend it.
At high levels you get more positive W.Surges than negative and besides it is one of the things that makes the W.Mages so special and fun to play with.







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nataben1314   Misc. Questions on Difficulty, Party Composition, and Spell Selection   Mar 4 2007, 08:59 AM
thetruth   This is not entirely true. They are still effec...   Mar 4 2007, 10:57 AM
Sikret   Hi, nataben! I believe that the answer to som...   Mar 4 2007, 11:17 AM
Demivrgvs   Why did you recommended not to choose an archer? I...   Mar 5 2007, 07:31 AM
rbeverjr   As my question is similar, I'll just post on t...   Mar 8 2007, 02:25 PM
thetruth   Hey a Cleric is more powerful than a Rod of Res...   Mar 9 2007, 12:13 AM
Sikret   And there aren't many enemies with immunity ...   Mar 9 2007, 12:30 AM
rbeverjr   And there aren't many enemies with immunity...   Mar 9 2007, 02:57 PM
thetruth   @ Demivrgvs Sikret will answer this, but IMO an...   Mar 9 2007, 03:57 PM
Sikret   [quote name='Sikret' post='21107' date='Mar 8 200...   Mar 10 2007, 10:02 AM
Demivrgvs   In V3 i think S!IMMUNE gave immunity to dispel...   Mar 9 2007, 12:59 PM
Sikret   In V3 i think S!IMMUNE gave immunity to dispe...   Mar 10 2007, 10:06 AM
rbeverjr   You're probably right concerning the berserker...   Mar 9 2007, 04:25 PM
Mordokai   Just a short reply to this, then I'm off to ...   Mar 9 2007, 09:19 PM
thetruth   Feel free to prove me otherwise if you feel like ...   Mar 9 2007, 09:45 PM
nataben1314   So if both backstab and archery aren't very ef...   Mar 10 2007, 07:42 PM
thetruth   So if both backstab and archery aren't very e...   Mar 10 2007, 08:18 PM
leonidas   May as well ask this here. Do triple class charact...   Mar 11 2007, 12:29 AM
Sikret   Hi, leonidas! Welcome to BWL! May as we...   Mar 11 2007, 05:21 AM
Shaitan   Just a little question to wich I guess the answer ...   Apr 11 2007, 11:05 AM
Sikret   Yes.   Apr 11 2007, 11:13 AM
Shaitan   :)   Apr 11 2007, 12:08 PM
Toxeus   Tell me please about difficulty of IA vs Tactics/B...   Apr 12 2007, 09:23 AM
Rhed   Tell me please about difficulty of IA vs Tactics/...   Apr 12 2007, 09:43 AM
Sikret   The new battles are very challenging! Whether...   Apr 12 2007, 03:11 PM
thetruth   Tell me please about difficulty of IA vs Tactics/...   Apr 12 2007, 01:31 PM
Sikret   Also personally I would recommend the use of the...   Apr 12 2007, 02:40 PM
Shaitan   Can't you bring us some insight info, such as ...   Apr 12 2007, 01:36 PM
thetruth   Can't you bring us some insight info, such as...   Apr 12 2007, 01:58 PM
Shaitan   Yes I suspect it may make the game no easier. The ...   Apr 12 2007, 02:10 PM
nataben1314   I'm back with a couple questions before I get ...   Apr 19 2007, 05:51 AM
Sikret   Note that I'm not really worried about the la...   Apr 19 2007, 07:53 AM
coaster   Seems a bit underpowered on the arcane magic front...   Apr 19 2007, 06:55 AM
thetruth   @nataben1314 First of all IIRC you don't lik...   Apr 19 2007, 04:12 PM
coaster   thetruth - yes, it is the combination of power and...   Apr 19 2007, 07:56 PM
nataben1314   sikret: excellent, thanks! I will use my R/C ...   Apr 19 2007, 10:12 PM
thetruth   What makes the f/t or swashy so good? I mean I kn...   Apr 20 2007, 02:22 AM
Mongerman   Generally, the levels to duel are lvl 7 - basic...   Apr 20 2007, 12:14 AM
nataben1314   Excellent, thanks! I think I'll go with a ...   Apr 20 2007, 02:30 AM
thetruth   Your comment about some battles being harder tha...   Apr 20 2007, 02:39 AM
nataben1314   Not all of them but let's say that the most d...   Apr 20 2007, 08:47 AM
Sikret   1. (protagonist for ranger content) ranger/cleric...   Apr 20 2007, 02:57 PM
nataben1314   (1) No.1, no.3 and no.6 are fine, IMO. Just why do...   Apr 20 2007, 03:57 PM
Mongerman   Might as well ask this as well. thetruth, you stat...   Apr 20 2007, 01:40 PM
thetruth   @nataben1314 First of all I don't have much e...   Apr 20 2007, 04:03 PM
Mongerman   Thanks for the fast reply thetruth.   Apr 20 2007, 04:21 PM
Shaitan   A new party! I'm pondering if this party ...   Apr 21 2007, 08:51 AM
Sikret   Protagonist F/M (halfelf, dual in Longswords/Flai...   Apr 21 2007, 12:59 PM
thetruth   @Shaitan Yes it is a good party. I wouldn't t...   Apr 21 2007, 11:31 AM
Shaitan   @Shaitan Yes it is a good party. I wouldn't ...   Apr 21 2007, 07:44 PM
thetruth   Ah :( Sorry guys! I remember why I don...   Apr 21 2007, 09:02 PM
Shaitan   Thanks a lot! I use Minsc as a berserker (via...   Apr 21 2007, 11:41 AM
thetruth   Ah sorry I misread. I suggested flails because, if...   Apr 21 2007, 12:42 PM
Mongerman   Sorry to hijack this thread. Sikret, I'll be s...   Apr 21 2007, 01:38 PM
thetruth   Has the long abscence from BG dulled me, or has ...   Apr 21 2007, 02:44 PM
Sikret   Sikret, I'll be starting my game tmr. Would y...   Apr 21 2007, 03:33 PM
nataben1314   wait so stealing more than like one thing from a s...   Apr 21 2007, 03:23 PM
Shaitan   So you think I can use Aerie as a competent partym...   Apr 21 2007, 09:25 PM
thetruth   Yes, Aerie with a combination of Cleric and Mage s...   Apr 21 2007, 09:36 PM
Mongerman   the truth, how is haer delis helpful? I'm thin...   Apr 23 2007, 12:19 AM
thetruth   You can use him as a F/M, if you don't have on...   Apr 23 2007, 03:46 AM
nataben1314   Update: I've started! Unfortunately, my pr...   Apr 23 2007, 05:03 AM
Shaitan   Sorry to hijack this thread! @thetruth: Have ...   Apr 24 2007, 11:51 AM
thetruth   Sorry to hijack this thread! @thetruth: Have...   Apr 24 2007, 12:42 PM
Shaitan   He! I guess I'll go for: F/I Minsc Jaheir...   Apr 24 2007, 12:49 PM
thetruth   Yes, this is an even better party for IA. ;)   Apr 24 2007, 01:26 PM
sturmvogel   I'm getting set for my first IA game and would...   May 3 2007, 03:10 AM
Toxeus   f/m is a must for IA, so may be try Xan? ;) Berse...   May 3 2007, 03:39 AM


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